Issue Date: 23/1/2011
B/M/DC: birth/marriage/death cert. EAC: EA Chadwick
JT: John Thompson.
1. Civil BMD Records 2. Parish Records.
3. IGI/AF. 4. Census.
5. Family interview. 6: Newspaper & other publications
7: Wills 8: Tombstone
9. Family History 9web: W.E. Brown Genealogy.
9p: Photo Albums.
The Owen family (hyphenating the forename "Kirk" in the early 20thC) come from Liverpool in the mid 18thC, although they would have originated from Wales.
Thomas Owen, gentleman in 1792 - at 8/2002, this looks unlikely.
Henry Owen, miller.
Henry Owen, timber broker.
William Owen, Clerk at timber broker.
Frederick Kirk-Owen, Canadian emigrant.
Reginald Kirk-Owen, Canadian born, daughter Alice.
The first known Owen was Henry, born about 1790: his parents are not known with any certainty. This first Henry lived in the old city centre, now the site of the Library and Lime Street Station area. As they became more affluent and the city centre was redeveloped, they moved out to the new residential areas such as Toxteth. The only likely birth in the IGI was Thomas, but the age at death is now found to be wrong for this.
Liverpool grew as a port in the 18thC and 19thC. By the 1840's the area above the older docks was a city of old streets with small commercial businesses, much of which were related to the port activities. The Owen and Quilliam families, with which they intermarried, were initially in the Shaw's Brow/Islington area. Shaw's Brow was renamed William Brown St and was redeveloped in the 1850's when the existing grand city centre buildings (Library, Museum and Opera House) were built. The former buildings completely disappeared. The residential area of the 1850's moved uphill to the area now partly occupied by Lime Street Station. As this became more developed industrially, the desirable area moved out.
The Quilliam family probably came from the Isle of Man, where the name is still common. The first known Quilliam was a carpenter/shipwright, his son becoming a cooper.
Information on the Liverpool Owens has been found in the Trade Directories (usually Gore's) and the Register of Electors. The census revealed a little, but few registered electors were found at their qualifying addresses. The Owen sequence is reasonably clear, but the Quilliams are more uncertain.
Rex Kirk-Owen Picture
Born: 8/6/1915 Calgary (after early confusion by the military, confirmed in their records from Birth Certificate).
Parents: Frederick Kirk-Owen & Florence Dolman
DiedDC: 31/8/1959, Blagdon House, Keevil, Wilts.
Married, 1stJT: Jocelyn Farmer 21/9/1939.
MarriedEAC, 2nd: Elisabeth Chadwick, 25/3/1949, Victoria BC.
For her family details see Chadwick File
Issue of Rex & Betty Kirk-Owen:
1/1. Alice Kirk-Owen born 3/10/1956.
John Thompson, Rex's nephew, assembled details of his early life, with additions from his second wife, Elisabeth Chadwick:
Rex lived with his parents, initially in the Calgary area, but the family moved to BC in the 20's, at Barnard Ave, and Brunswick Ave., Vernon. Rex & Betty revisited the area in 1950.
He had a distinguished war career, initially training in the Artillery and serving in Canada, amongst others in Coastal Batteries in BC (his first wartime command was Fort Rodd Hill, BC), until 1944, when he shipped to England, still in the Artillery. He transferred into the Infantry in early 1945, into the 16th Canadian Scottish Regiment. He was twice wounded, the first time accidentally on a motor bike, the second time by enemy fire near the German border in the region of Kleve, while taking part in the liberation of Holland. His sister, Pauline remembers Rex having very sore left leg when he came back from the war. Some of his time was spent working behind enemy lines with Dutch Resistance. On demobilisation as a Major, he worked in the City Engineer's Department, Victoria, living in Quadra Street and then Rockhead Avenue after marriage to Betty Chadwick (a flat in a former Governor General's house).
He first met Elisabeth Chadwick ("Betty") in about 1942 while he was in the Army. They remet by chance on his return from Europe in 1945, and were married in 1949.
Rex appeared to have worked for the Transport Department in Victoria, and was in June 1951, the Supervisor of Streets Traffic Sign and Warning Signs.
In 1951, he and Betty moved from Victoria to Toronto, travelling by car (an MG) via California, Mexico and Southern US, Washington etc, staying with brother Freddy in California.
Rex worked for the Toronto Transport Company's Legal Department, living at 83 Centre Road West, Richmond Hill, Ont for about a year, before they sailed from Montreal, 25th October 1952, to make a new life in England, and took up permanent residence 31 October 1952. Rex at least must have returned to Canada as he made a customs declaration of silverware imported as baggage for private use after arriving on HMCS Ontario at Portsmouth 29 June 1953. At that time, his address was 22 Avonmore Road, W14.
In 1952, Rex commenced a career change and joined Gray's Inn to read for the Bar, an occupation which carried little or no salary until qualified. Whilst studying, he worked in the L.C.C. Engineer's Department and the Post Office. He was involved in the planning and tendering for various 1950's road improvements in London, such as the Cromwell Road extension in 1955. In 1957, he was still a temporary resident engineer for the LCC at a salary of £782 pa.
He was called to the Bar during Hilary Term, 1958, and immediately went into practice in Mr Frank Whitworth's chambers, apparently leaving the LCC employ about August 1958 (from a diary).
Betty implied that they were both presented at Court; this was probably a reference to going to one of the Buckingham palace Garden parties (which Alice & Antony also went to in about 1980). They visited Rex's Aunt Jessie & Uncle George Mason at Emmanuel College Cambridge.
They lived in London until Alice was born in October 1956, and later moved to "Tudor Thatch", Oakhanger, (for about 2 years) and then to Ropley, Hampshire, and, in May 1959, to Blagdon House, Keevil, Wilts, where Rex died 3 months later. They bought Blagdon House for £5250.
He was a pipe smoker.
Issue of Reginald & Jocelyn Kirk-Owen:
1/1. Peter Kirk-Owen, b 1946.
A lawyer. Vice Chairman of
Worker's Compensation Review Board (1986).
Married: Jennifer Davis, since divorced.
2/1. Gregory Kirk-Owen.
2/2. Reginald Kirk-Owen, b 10/1986
2/3. Bronwyn Kirk-Owen, b. 10/1986
1/2. Jill Kirk-Owen
Married: John Ford
2/1. Sean Ford.
Full Details of Rex Kirk-Owen:
RKO & EAKO to UK abt 1951-2
Rex worked for Post Office at nights while studying for the Bar.
He worked in Toronto before they met in 1942 while Rex in Army.
EAV thinks Rex may have been born in 1915 not 1916 as said normally.
D/C: age 44, Barrister at Law, of Carcinoma of lung & Carcinoma of Colon (Excised). Informant RL Vernon, causing body to be cremated, Keevil Manor, Trowbridge.
From "Graya" (Gray's Inn Magazine) number 51, Easter Term 1960:
Death of Rex Kirk-Owen recorded as 31 August 1959.
Many in Gray's Inn deeply regret the untimely death of Rex kirk-Owen last August. Rex was born in Calgary in 1915 and had a distinguished war record in the 16th Canadian Scottish Regiment. He was twice wounded and took part in the liberation of Holland. On demobilisation as a Major, he worked in the City Engineer's Department, Victoria, and in 1951 transferred to the Toronto Transport Company's Legal Department.
In 1952 Rex joined Gray's Inn and served in the L.C.C. Engineer's Department. He was called to the Bar during Hilary Term, 1958, and immediately went into practice in Mr Frank Whitworth's chambers. Rex was one whom any man would be honoured to call a friend. He had a gay disposition, an intrepid character and was an excellent companion. He loved his native land and had an abiding affection for England as the spiritual home of freedom. He was at home in London or the countryside and his widow and little daughter still live in Wiltshire. Rex's epitaph shall be that he served Britain and Canada well - to the best of his considerable ability. (R.E.C.J.)
From John Thompson July 98:
I have spoken to Rex's first wife. Jocelyn told me that Rex was in a field artillery unit and was on coastal patrol here in BC until July 1944 when the unit was sent to England. It was in England that Rex transferred to the Canadian Scottish Regiment (CS). By my calculation by the time Rex joined the CS the battle of Normandy was over and the battle of the Scheld was about to begin. I have contacted the CS here and have their regimental history en route to me now. As well, I have my request into the Canadian archives for his service file, as well as that of my grandfather's FKO.
Received from John Thompson, 22/10/98:
(1) Canadian Military Records:
Western Canada College (?) 1921-1926 (age 6-11)
* Vernon Public High School 1926-1931
Kitsilano High School 1931-1932
North Vancouver High School 1932-1933
Western Canada College pre-engineering 1936 completed
*1929-1931 was a Trooper in the B.C. Dragoons (age 14-16) (NPAM)*
*NPAM= Non Permanent Active Militia
Attestation gives birth date 11 August 1915;
Phone number in Vernon: 12921
1936- employed for 6 months as an Engineer in training.
1936-37 worked on Vancouver Stock Exchange floor
1936-38 15th Field Brigade rank: Lieutenant (NPAM)
1938-40 Job as Building Surveyor for the Vancouver School Board
21Sept39 Marries Jocelyn: Address: 1948 Boulevard North Vancouver
18Sept40 Attestation signed- joins Active Militia as a Private in the Army.
12Oct40 Transfers to Forestry unit as surveyor
12March41 Proceeds to Officer Training Centre at Gordon Head, BC passed courses and qualified for Rank of Lieutenant in the Reserves or as a 2nd Lieutenant in the Permanent Canadian Army.
3Oct41 receives 2nd Lt. appointment
4Oct.41 assigned to Artillery Training Centre in Halifax, Nova Scotia.
27Nov41 Qualifying courses as: Driver Class 111 and Motorcyclist class 111
24Dec41 passed courses and is assigned to 60th Battery.
24Dec41 Appointed Lieutenant
15Aug42 attached to 109th Coastal Battery
2Sept42 taken off 60th Battery
3Sept43 permanently attached to 109th Coastal Battery
11Oct43 109th is attached to Artillery School
19Jan43 Assigned to the Artillery School in Brandon, Manitoba
17Mar44 Qualified as Lieutenant in the Mobile Artillery, allocated to Royal Canadian Field Artillery
3Apr44 leave granted two weeks prior to departing for England.
17Apr44 Reports for duty
29Apr44 departs Canada
2May44 Arrives England. Assigned to Borden Area and joins 1st Canadian Artillery Reinforcement Unit. Takes more driving and Motorcycle courses.
22Jun44 Fractures right arm (radius) in motorcycle accident. Taken to Bramshutt Hospital. Assigned to Garrun Convalescent Home.
1Aug44 Transferred to Roman Way Hospital
8Aug44 cast removed from right arm
14Aug44 discharged from hospital.
Oct-Nov44 Artillery training.
13Feb45 Transfers to Canadian Scottish which is part of 7th Brigade, 3rd Canadian Division. Ships to NW Europe. (Cdn army was stationed near Nijmegan at this time.) Unclear what was the exact date.
18Feb45 Admitted to 29th British Field Hospital, Belgium with severe influenza.
22Feb45 discharged from hospital.
Mar45 No record of injury at the time, but upon discharge in Feb. 1946, a military inquiry is held in North Vancouver into the injury suffered near Clive, (Cleve?) Germany in March. At the inquiry, the panel finds that RKO was injured in the line of duty while crossing a dike near the front lines in Germany. There are no particulars of the injury and no medical records of treatment other than physiotherapy in the post war years. RKO signs sworn statement that while crossing a dike near the front lines a blast from enemy fire knocked him down and he was evacuated to a British hospital in Osterloo, Belgium. A medical officer also filed a statement at the panel recommending physiotherapy for the injury. (Pauline remembers RKO having very sore left leg when he came back from the war.)
1Sep45 Promoted to acting captain, Canadian Scottish Regiment
16Nov45 Granted 10 days leave
5Dec45 Granted 6 days leave
28Dec45 Returns to Canada
12Feb46 retires from active duty. Captain rank is confirmed on the condition that he demobilize. If he had stayed in the Army, he would have been demoted to lieutenant. So he becomes a Captain in the Reserves (NPAM).
1Jun49 Applies for Army commission but is denied based on age.
23Aug57 released from Army reserves.
1944 - Florence (mother) contacted by War Dept. and asked for proper birth date. She provides birth original certificate which gives birth date as June 8, 1915 (this while RKO was in Europe).
Broken arm did not displace but did not mend quickly. X-ray on 26 July 1944 shows good position but no union. Plaster re-applied. X-ray on 25 August shows good union so cast removed.
Letter from Army 4 June, 1952 gives Rex's address as:
Box 361, 83 Centre Road, West Richmond Hill, Ontario.
Before leaving BC, he was involved in a cold storage business in Prince George, BC, which failed financially at some cost (100K).
BornBC: 16/5/1889 @ 15, Poplar Grove, Seaforth, Lancs.
Parents: William Kirk Owen & Ellen Jane, formerly Brown.
Died: 14/4/1951, Vancouver, BC.
Memorial Service at the Chapel of Harron Bros, 122 W 6th St, North Vancouver, Tuesday 17th April 1951 at 3pm.
Frederic was born surnamed Owen, with Kirk as a second forename: he only Hyphenated the name later, perhaps on his arrival in Canada. Kirk as a surname carries the implication of illegitimacy.
With family at:
1891 Census, 15, Poplar Grove, Seaforth:
1901 Census, 4, Fox Cover Lane, Lower Bebington, Cheshire
He does not appear in the 1911 Census, so may well have gone to Canada by then.
He went to Canada abt 1912, working as a banker in 1914, living at 105, 14th Avenue, CalgaryEAC.
464, E 15th St, North Van. and 1505 Grand Boulevard, North Vancouver.
Military Service Attestation (obtained by John Thompson, 1998)
FKO's attestation is dated 24 Nov 1914. Next of kin is given as William K. Owen of Rockferry, Cheshire, England. Birthdate is given as 16 May 1889. Trade is "banker". Wife is identified as Florence Owen of 105, 14th Avenue, Calgary, Alberta. FKO stated that he had some military experience in the Field Artillery – Howitzer Brigade.
Height 5'8" Chest 36" expanded. Weight 140 lbs. Dark complexion, brown eyes, dark brown hair. Scar on right elbow
Religious denomination: C of E.
Enlistment date was 16 Nov 1914. He joined the 31st Battalion of Canadian Expeditionary Force. This would be the second contingent, the first having shipped out of Quebec about this same time. The second contingent was raised after the early reversals in Europe for the allies as it was now becoming apparent that "home by Christmas" was now a bitter memory.
The 31st trained and paraded around Calgary until May 1915, when
it boarded trains bound for Quebec City on the 11t. After arrival they billeted for a few days and then boarded ships for England starting on the 17th. Ships used included Cunard's Carpathia. FKO's records indicate he embarked on the 29th of May and arrived in England in the first week of June.
The 31st went to Dibgate Camp in Kent, which was 4 miles west of Shorncliffe. The summer was spent with more training and marching around the English countryside. Marches included visits to Lydd and Otterpool. On the 15th September they moved to Southampton and there embarked on ships for the journey to France. They arrived in Boulogne beginning on the 17th, FKO arrived on the 18th. The train took them to St. Omer where they then continued on foot to the front. They joined the line on the 30th of September 1915 at Weexton Farm near St. Sylvester Chappelle. The 31st saw continuous action through the war.
Battle credits include St. Eloi, Hooge, Courcellette, Vimy, Fresnoy. I will get more details now that I know the precise battalion. The system at that time was to rotate troops into the front lines on 1-2 week rotations. Officers were often left out of battle so that replacement troops could be rebuilt around experienced officers so that the battalion could be back up to strength and led by some one with experience in battle. Early on in the war it was found that officers had twice the casualty rates as the other ranks with the result that after particularly hard fighting the officers were in shorter supply.
FKO was promoted to Corporal 22 September 1916. On 10 April 1917 he was taken out of the line and sent back to Bramshott, England for Officer's training. On 17 July 1917 he was posted to the 21st Reserve Battalion as a Lieutenant. On 24 August 1917 he was admitted to Canadian Military Hospital in England and placed on the Seriously Ill list. Apparently an abscess developed on his neck which became very serious as it penetrated the facsia of his neck muscles. He had very high temperature for many days and was not taken off the seriously Ill list until 13 September. He was invalided home to Canada on 29 November, 1917. Total service was 3 years, 88 days. He was not medically fit.
According to his daughter-in-law, Elizabeth Chadwick, FKO was in Royal Strathcona Regt in 1st War and was wounded in the spine. She also thought that FKO may have gone to Ottawa as an aid to Princess Alice.
A family called Twiston-Davis & the Browns helped FKO when first in Canada (a Twiston-Davis married Aunt Emmy (Brown - Hannah??), who married, 2nd, Mr Englehart, son of the famous miniaturist (see separate file on the Brown family).
In later life, he was referred to as "Major" Kirk-Owen - when this promotion occurred is not known (4/2000).
From a photograph of him taken at a desk, he served in some military capacity in the second war (the date on a calendar seems to be 1940). He was wearing Major's crowns.
According to his daughter, Pauline, he was a bank manager until bank went bust, then worked for the Inland revenue and finally for the Harbors Board in Vancouver. He and his family moved to West Vancouver between the Wars.
Married: Florence Dolman (probably shortly) before November 1914. They probably met in Calgary, where it seems probable that Florence and her mother had emigrated to in 1911.
See Dolman Pages
1/1. Reginald Kirk-Owen. Born Calgary 1915,
1/2. Peter Kirk-Owen, born 1918, Calgary.
Married: 1941, Maida (Postle) b.
2/1. Judy Lee Kirk-Owen, b 1943. Supplied the following:
Trained as teacher, and moved in
1985 to be sales director of company making cranes and specialist lifting gear
in North Vancouver. Moved to Vancouver Island, 2003.
Married: Gregory David Stibbard, 1961, divorced.
Both sons and son-in-law engineers (1/2002) and daughter computer graphics designer. Died 2/1/2004.
3/1. Gregory James (Jim) Stibbard b.1962
Res Calgary, Alberta, 1/2002.
Married: Laurie Ann McKinny, 17/5/1987.
4/1. Amanda Lee Stibbard, b. 2/11/1987
4/2. Matthew James Stibbard, b. 8/6/1991
3/2. Jeffery David Stibbard, b. 1965.
Graduated from Montana University
in Mining Engineering.
Res Fort McMurray, Alberta, 1/2002, formerly of Yellowknife.
Married: Brenda May Youngberg, 22/8/1987.
4/1. Clinton James Stibbard, b. 6/1922.
4/2. Cody Wyatt Stibbard, b. 7/11/1994.
3/3. Lianne Stibbard, b. 1969.
Married: Emil Bo Per Wessner,
17/7/1999, Lund, Sweden.
Met in Australia, res Sweden, 3/2001, returned Canada, 12/2001, to live Calgary.
4/1. Kai Emil Per Wessner, b. 10/11/2000, Sweden.
4/2. Åsa Sofia Judyli Wessner, b. 4/2/2004, Canada.
2/2. Susan Wendie Kirk-Owen, b. 1946.
Married, 1st: Russ Webb, who
3/1. Andrea Webb, b. 1976.
3/2. Michael Webb, b. 1979, rugby player, in Canadian team Nov 2006.
Married 2nd: Jim Parkes.
2/3. Peter Michael Kirk-Owen, b.1950.
3/1. Alison Kirk-Owen, b.1985.
3/2. Lindsay Kirk-Owen, b.1987.
1/3. Mary Kirk-Owen, born 1921, Carmanghy?
Married: Kenneth Maud b. 1920.
2/1. Kenneth F. Maud b. 1943.
Married: Sandra Russell, dau of
Mr & Mrs A Russell of North Vancouver b. 1943. Married at North Lonsdale
3/1. Douglas Maud, b. 1968.
3/2. Andrea Maud, b. 1969.
3/3. Kenneth Maud, b. 1972.
2/2. Lyn Maud b. 1946.
Married: James McKay, b. 1938
3/1. James McKay, b. 1965,
4/1. Katelin McKay, b. 1991.
3/2. Patricia McKay, b. 1967.
3/3. Lisa McKay, b. 1969 (adopted).
3/4. Peter McKay, b.1970 (adopted).
2/3. Anne Maud, b. 1951.
3/1. Teresa, b. 1974.
3/2. Anita, b. 1976.
1/4. Helen (Nell) Kirk-Owen, b. 1926.
(Marjorie Brown's goddaughter),
Married: Gordon Tunnicliff (a Banker, b.1920, died 2001)
2/1. Jane Tunnicliff, b.1954 (email 6/07)[ii].
Married: Robert Brotzel.
3/1. Jane Brotzel, b.1984.
3/2. Patricia Brotzel, b.1987.
2/2. Ross Tunnicliffe, b.1960. (email Jan 2007)[iii]
1/5. Pauline Kirk-Owen, (1929).
Married: Norman Thompson (b.
2/1. Norman Frederic Thompson, b. 11/11/1953
Married: Randi Victoria Smith.
3/1. Victoria Lee Thompson, b. 17/11/1982.
Married Lorne Bilinski, Hawaii, 2006. At school in Calgary 2000-04, moved West Van 2004 to work in the family business.
3/2. Alexandra Sara Thompson, b.
3/3. Norman Randal Thompson, b. 6/1/1989.
2/2. John Paul Thompson, b. 9/6/1956.
Married: Diane Kindre b.1953.
3/1. Jessica Diane Thompson, b. 13/1/1986.
2/3. Reginald (Rex) William Thompson, b. 31/7/1962.
Married: Sharon Jawoski, b.
3/1. Georgia Brookes Thompson, b. 10/1993.
3/2. Sophia Pauline Thompson, b. 16/11/1995.
3/3. Natalie Grace Thompson, b. 2/4/1997.
Know as "Kirk" in family.
Little is known of William Kirk Owen, except that he followed his father into the Timber business, to start with, at least, as a clerk, living in the Liverpool area. He was in the timber trade in 1891, and probably worked for his uncle, Peter Owen, a partner in the timber brokers, Farnworth & Jardine. Peter Owen was active in the business at least until 1893, and the business still existed in 1939.
He was reputed to be a ner-do-well by his grand-daughter, Pauline (Kirk-Owen) Thompson. This is confirmed by Daphne Lowe (he drank!).
He met his wife to be, Jeannie Brown, at Capenhurst Manor where she was governess to his cousins children (this must have been the family of William's uncle Peter, see below).
BornBC: at 36, West Spekefield Cottages, West Derby, 8/7/1850.
Father: Henry Owen, Book Keeper, & Elizabeth (Quilliam).
Diedwill: 11 May 1926, 10 Potters Cottages, Mariner's Homes, Wallasey.
1851 Census, Spekefield Cottages, W Derby:
Parents, siblings and William K age 10 mths.
1861 Census, 57, Caple St, Liverpool, aged 10 with family.
1871 Census, 10, Bank Rd, Bootle, with family
1881 Census: with parents @ 79, Sea View, Bootle, a Commercial Clerk, Timber.
1888 @ Marriage: 38, Bachelor, a Clerk of 7, Poplar Grove, Seaforth.
1889 birth of Frederick: Broker's Clerk of 15, Poplar Grove, Seaforth.
1890: Gore's, 15, poplar Grove, book-keeper.
1890: 15 Poplar Grove, father’s death
1891 Census, 15, Poplar Grove, Seaforth:
William K (40, Timber Broker's Clerk, L'pool), Ellen J (31, Chester), Frederick (2, Seaforth), Walter (10 mths, Seaforth).
1894, 1895: Gore's, 15 Poplar Grove, book-keeper.
1901 Census, 4, Fox Cover Lane, Lower Bebington, Cheshire:
William K. Owen (Hd, 50, Clerk, Commercial, Liverpool), Ellen J. (41, Chester), Frederick K. (11, Seaforth), Jessie M. (7, Seaforth).
William Owen (Hd, 60, Mar 22 yrs, Clerk in Timber Broker’s Office, Worker, Liverpool), Jeannie (wf, 51, Mar 22 yrs, ch B alive 4, living 2, died 2, Chester), Jessie (dau 17, single, school, Seaforth)
1914: November, of "Garthowen", Alpha Drive, Rockferry, Cheshire. (FKO Military records)
Administration (will): William Owen of 10 Potters Cottages, Mariners' Homes, Wallasey, Cheshire. Admon to Ellen Owen, of 10 Potters Cottages Widow & relict. Died on 11 May 1926. Estate value £217-7-3d
Married (M/C): Ellen Jane Brown, 12/7/1888 at St Oswalds Parish Church, Chester, Marriage Witnesses: Fred G. Brown & Minnie L Brown (Ellen's brother & sister).
The mother of Frederic Kirk Owen
BornBC: 25/10/1859 @ Ash Grove, Wrexham Rd, Chester.
Parents: George John Helmsley Brown, Master Watch Maker. Mary Kitchen B. (formerly Jones).
Died7. 18/12/1941, of the Croft, Biddenham, Bedfordshire, formerly of 23 Alpha Drive, Rockferry, Chester.
Will: left all to daughter Jessie Mary Mason, also as executrix. (gross £1504-18-1, net personal 1473-15-7) who subsequently made a legacy to Alice (K-O) Maitland
Ref DL: Married William Owen. Worked as a governess at Owen's house, Capenhurst Manor. William was a cousin of her employers; he was a poor relation and drank. They lived at Rockferry. Known as "Jeanne".
These Owens must have been William's uncle, Peter and/or his children.
1861 Census: @ Ash Grove, Chester, with family.
1871 Census: @ 5, Ash Grove, Chester with family.
1881 Census: @ 18, St Martin-in-the-Field, Chester with parents, a governess.
1888, @ marriage: 28, spinster of 43 Bouverie St, Chester.
1891 Census, at 15, Poplar Grove, Seaforth, see William KO.
Issue of William & Ellen (Brown) Owen:
1/1. Frederic Kirk Owen (hyphenated later!)(16/5/1889),
1/2. Walter Helmsley Owen (1890),
died when Miss Owen about 3 years old ref Sylvia T. Census 1911: shows 2 live children and 2 dead. D Index Liverpool 8b 109 Q2 1893
1/3. Herbert Peter Owen (from RK-O papers).
D. Index Wirral 8a 262 Q3 1896 b abt 1892
1/3. Jessie Mary Owen (1894).
Married: George Mason, a fellow
of Emmanuel College, Cambridge.
"Aunt Jessie" died abt 1990, left Alice (K-O) Maitland a legacy of about £18000. Memories of Jessie's housekeeper, Sylvia Trollope, were that her father was in business in Liverpool and her grandfather was in the timber trade; her surviving brother went to Canada as a young man and hyphenated the name Kirk-Owen. No Issue.
George was at Emmanuel about 1903, rowed for the college 8.
Born: Speke (census)
Ch: 22/9/1816 @ St Peter, Liverpool (IGI).
(full age '42, C51: 33)
Death Index: Henry Owen, 74, West Derby, Q4/1890, 8b 436.
DC: Died 16/12/1890, 7 Poplar Grove, Seaforth, 74, Merchant’s Clerk, Carcinoma, WR Owen present of 15 Poplar Grove.
PR checked: father Henry, a miller, of Islington, Liverpool.
Parents: Henry, a miller, & Alice (IGI).
Henry Owen was a book keeper/clerk during his working life, in the timber trade at least for part of his career. He most probably worked for/with his brother, Peter Owen, a partner in the timber brokers, Farnworth & Jardine. Peter Owen was active in the business at least until 1893, and the business still existed in 1939, see below for more on Peter Owen.
Like many of the period, he moved around frequently, living in Upper Stanhope St, Toxteth when he was married, and later in Caple St, Tay St, Liverpool, and Berry St, Bootle. By 1888, he had moved to Seaforth, when he had become a "gentleman".
No will found 1881-1917.
1841 Census: 13, Great Nelson St, with family, a book keeper aged 20.
1842: Marriage: full age, book-keeper of Upper Stanhope St. L'pool.
1841: Henry jnr, a book keeper, Gt Nelson St.,
1843: at 27 Upper Stanhope St
1845 & 7: 7, Moira St (Hugh Owen owned house in Moira St, 1837), also as Elector 1845.
1849: 4, Bridge St.
Upper Stanhope St is in Toxteth Park and was probably a respectable area at this time; in 1999, the area is very rundown, but still has some what were handsome houses.
Coincidentally or not, Mrs JGH Owen was resident in 9, Stanhope St, 1841, 42, 45.
1851 Census, Spekefield Cottages: all born Speke.
Henry (33, Timber Broker's Clerk), Elizabeth (29), Henry G. (6), Sarah A. (4), Mary A. (2), William (10m).
1861 Census: 57 Caple St. (all born Liverpool)
Henry (44, Timber Merchants Clerk), Elizabeth (38), Emily (17, schoolmistress), Mary Agnes (12, scholar), William Kirk (10, scholar), Bertha Elizabeth (4), Henry Peter (2).
1862: a Book keeper of 57, Caple St.
1867: a Book keeper of 9, Tay St, Toxteth.
1871: a Book keeper of 74, Berry St, Bootle,
1873: a Book keeper of 14, Bank St, Bootle.
1871 Census, 14 Bank Rd, Bootle:
Henry (54, Commercial Traveller) William Kirk (20, Commercial Traveller), Bertha Elizabeth (14, scholar), Henry Peter (12) Paul Geoffrey (6).
1881 Census: 79, Sea View, Bootle.
Henry Owen (64, Commercial Clerk, Timber, L'pool), Elizabeth (58, L'pool), William K. (30, Commercial Clerk, Timber, L'pool). Alice Helen (19, L'pool).
1888, marriage of William: "Gentleman" of 7, Poplar Grove, Seaforth.
Poem "the Miller of the Dee" said to refer to Henry Owen.
1890: Gore's: 7, Poplar Grove, bookkeeper.
1891: Census - daughter Alice Ellen at 7 Poplar Grove, Henry & Elizabeth not found.
1893: Gore's: 48, Byrom Grove, Seacombe, book-keeper - probably the one.
No census trace found - not the number or right street?
1894: Gore's: a Henry Owen, no trade, 8 Mab Lane, W Derby, E. ?????
1895: no Henry's.
1901: no Alice or Henry.
MarriedMC: 3/7/1842 @ St Bride's Liverpool full age, he a bookeeper of Upper Stanhope St. L'pool. She, full age, spinster of Gt Charlotte St, L'pool.
Witnesses: Peter & Alice Owen (brother & mother):-
Born: ref Census'51 1821-3, Speke.
Christened: 15/7/1821 St Nicholas, Liverpool.
PR: dau of William, a cooper of Plumbe St & Jane.
Parents: William, a cooper (ref marriage cert). & Jane (ref PR).
Christened: St Peter's Liverpool, 22/6/1823 (PR)
Parents: William & Sarah, a cooper of Lawton St.
Elizabeth's line is a little vague, but the combination of her father's trade in her marriage certificate and on both baptism entries make the sequence from William the cooper and either wife Jane or Sarah, plausible, though the later ages for Elizabeth favour Sarah as her mother. Perhaps Elizabeth, b 1821 was by a different wife of the same William. The 1841 census entry for Gt Charlotte St would match William and Sarah being Elizabeth's parents, more investigation is required (8/2000).
It seems unlikely that there were two William Quilliams, both coopers very close to each other at the time: the most likely scenario is 1st wife Jane, having daughter Elizabeth and both dying soon after, a not uncommon event, and William remarrying soon after and trying another Elizabeth, again a common event.
Death records for St Peter's & St Nicholas show nothing for Elizabeth Quilliam, but there are a number of other churches in the area where the first one could have been buried.
No marriages for William & Jane or Elizabeth have been found. They may have been nonconformist.
1841 Census, Gt Charlotte St, (All born Lancs). (nil relevant 1851)
William Q (18, Gardener), Elizabeth (17), James (16), John (14, Engineer's Apprentice), Richard (12).
1842, marriage: full age, spinster of Gt Charlotte St, L'pool.
1851 Census, Spekefield Cottages: all born Speke. Henry (33, Timber Broker's Clerk), Elizabeth (29), Henry G. (6), Sarah A. (4), Mary A.(2), William (10m).
Issue of Henry Owen & Elizabeth Quilliam (Census):-
1/1. Emily Owen, (1844),
with parents in 1861, with grandmother Alice in 1851.
1/2. Henry G. Owen, (1845),
1/3. Sarah A. Owen, (1847),
1/4. Mary Agnes. Owen (1849),
1881 with uncle Peter
1891 with uncle Peter
1/5. William Kirk Owen (8/7/1850).
1/6. Bertha Elizabeth Owen (1857)
1/7. Henry Peter Owen (1859)
1/8. Alice Helen Owen (1862).
1891 Census, 7 Poplar Grove:
Alice Ellen Owen (29, Living on Own Means): nb not listed as head - were parents away at the time??
1/9. Paul Geoffrey Owen abt 1865.
1871 with parents.
1881 with uncle Peter - father probably dead.
The father of Henry Owen
Born: Several IGI alternatives.
From D/C, not this birth.
Only likely IGI: 18/7/1792, St Peter, Liverpool, but too young at death.
PR: born 23/6/1792 of Thomas Owen of Duke St, Gent.
Parents: Thomas & Mary Owen.
DiedDC: 20/12/1845, 121 Great Howard St, Liverpool, a miller aged 56, of Typhus. Informant Margaret Leighton.
Henry Owen was a corn miller in Liverpool active from about 1814 until at least 1842. He had a steam mill by 1819, probably fairly advanced for the era. His location in Liverpool, particularly later at Shaws Brow near the docks, would indicate he was milling imported corn, probably from the US. Owen being a common name makes tracing his ancestors somewhat difficult, but the best guess is shown.
No trace has been found (8/2001) of his marriage, her Christian name is confirmed by the children's baptism entry and the Census 1841 & 1851. Not found at St Nichols PR. From a possible birth of daughter Alice, she was prossibly Alice Hunt. Alice was born about 1784 in Liverpool.
Prints of Shaw's Brow in "Pictorial Relics of Ancient
Liverpool", WG Hardman, 1878. Shaw's Brow was an area of pottery
production. It was renamed William Brown St and is the site of the present day
Library and Art Gallery, both built in the mid 19thC. Islington crosses the top
of William Brown St, and still exists, but totally changed from Henry's day.
First appears 1814 as corn miller of 28, Islington; continues in 1818, 21, 23. Commercial Trades directory shows him as steam miller in 1819-20. 1825, of 61 St Ann st with steam mill at 219 Islington. 1827,19, 32 & 34, of 19 Comus St with mill at Castle Mills, 1 Meadows St (13&14 in 1832). 1835, a miller of 62 Virgil St (res) & 16 Mills Place, Shaws Brow. 1837 a miller of 43 Bevington St. In 1839 Henry Owen, Victualler, of 8 Bevington Hill listed.
Quilliams also at Shaws Brow.
1837/42: Register of Electors has no trace of Henry Owen.
1816, Henry 2 birth, miller of Upper Islington.
1826, Charles birth, miller of St Ann St.
1842, Henry's marriage: a miller
1841 Census: 13 Great Nelson St. (all born in county)
Henry (50, miller), Alice (55), Alice (25, schoolmistress), Henry (20), Peter (18, Ap. Timber Merchant), Mary (20), Charles (15, Ap. Cotton Broker).
1847: Henry Owen at 4, Summer St Toxteth. Maybe him?
1850/1 Electors: house @ 54, Crown St
house & shop @ 2, Ashton St.
1851 Census, No 35 (unk street), Aintree:
Alice (67, Hd, annuitant), Charles (25, son, annuitant), Emily (g/dau, 8).
As Emily was not with her parents in 1851, this must be the same one.
There were Quilliams at Shaws Brow.
Married: Alice (no trace on IGI or PR indexes).
Alice Owens in Census 51 checked & none relevant.
A possibility from the LDS:
Henry OwenS m Alice Hunt, St James Liverpool, 12/6/1811.
A possible Alice Hunt b 11/8/1782, ch 25/8/1782, West Derby of William & Alice (IGI)
Issue of Henry & Alice Owen (IGI @ St Peter, Liverpool):
1/1. Alice Owen b. 1816.
IGI, St Peter's LPL, b 29/5/1812,
ch 6/9/1812, dau of Henry Owens & Alice Hunt
1841 with family in Gt Nelson St, schoolteacher
1843 Gores: teacher of Upper Stanhope St.
1851 Census, a schoolteacher (35), lodging with Thomas family, at 47, Kent St, with day school next door.
1861 Census, West Derby, governess aged 40 - probably her.
1/2. Ann Owen ch: 2/4/1815.
1/3. Henry Owen ch: 22/9/1816. PR.
1/4. Anne Owen ch: 13/7/1818.
1/5. Mary Ellen Owen ch: 24/9/1820. PR
Married Samuel Hughes, ref Pat
On 16th September 1844, she married Samuel Hughes, a printer, baptised 13th June 1824. He was the son of Robert Hughes and his first wife Elizabeth Eccles. Think Elizabeth died in childbirth, or very soon afterwards as Robert re-married quite quickly.
Samuel and Mary Ellen had one son Robert. On 1851 census it says he was born in Scotland but I think this may be the district of Liverpool. I will have to check my files but Mary E and Samuel were still alive in 1861 and possibly in 1871, but as I say, I will need to get out the file and check. I have found no sign of Robert--at least not that I can identify anyway.
1/6. Peter Owen ch: 2/12/1822. PR
1841 census with parents,
apprenticed timber broker.
1851: Gores book-keeper of 6, Church St, Higher Tranmere.
1853: Gores book-keeper of 221 Mill St.
1860 Gores: Book-keeper of Highfield Ter, Darby Lane.
1861 Gores: Timber Merchant of Marsh Cottage, Crosbie Rd.
1861 Census: no record
1867 Gores: Timber Merchant (Farnworth & Jardine) of Waterloo Park, Waterloo.
1870/1 Gores: of Homewood, Waterloo Park.
1871 Census, Homewood, Waterloo Park, Crosby, Lancs:
Peter (wid, 48, Timber Broker) Alice (sister, 58) Elizabeth Thomas (m-in-law, 76, Lancs)
Farnworth & Jardine of 1 Liv & Lon Chambers & 9 Canada Dock.
1881 Census, Great Sutton, Cheshire.
Peter Owen (wid, 58, Wood Broker), Elinor L (4, G/Sutton), Evelyn M. (3, G/Sutton), Mary E (32, niece, Lpool), Paul G. (nephew, Clerk, Waterloo)
1891 Census, The Elms, Great Sutton, Cheshire.
Peter Owen (wid, 68, Wood Broker), Elinor B (dau, 14, scholar, G/Sutton), Evelyn (dau, 13, G/Sutton), Maryold?? (42, niece, Lpool)
2/1. Elinor B. Owen, b abt 1877.
2/2. Evelyn M. Owen, b abt 1878.
1/7. Matilda Owen ch: 13/10/1824. PR
1/8. Charles Owen ch: 26/3/1826.
A brother of Henry Owen ??????
Parents: Henry, a miller, & Alice (IGI). ????????
1851 Census, Aintree:
Alice Owen (67, Annuitant, LPL), Charles (25, Annuitant, LPL), Emily (g/dau, 8, scholar, LPL).
Census 41 Upper Frederick St:
Charles Owen (23, Carpenter),
Sarah (21), John (1.5), Henry (0.5). All born in Lancs. Probably Henry's
brother (slight discrepancy over age).
No relevant Charles Owens found in 1861 Census on Ancestry.com
Henry Owen & Alice having children ch @ St Mary the Virgin, West Derby, Lancs, probably the son of Henry Owen, engineer in Myers St, Edge Vale in 1841: Elizabeth (22/8/1858), Margaret (23/9/1860), Henry (8/2/1863), Jane (26/1/1868), Alice (22/3/1870).
1/9. Emily (5/8/1829) PR of Comus St.
"Sea Breezes, Jan 1939"
Messrs Farnworth & Jardine were large timber merchants of Liverpool with big connections in New Brunswick. They started shipowning in the early 40-'s of the last century, bringing their own timber over from New Brunswick. During the gold rushes of the 50's to Australia, they built up a large fleet of wooden built New Brunswick ships. Amongst many well known ships they owned were the White Star "Ben Nevis", "Anglo Saxon", "Lady Palmerston", "Sir Henry Lawrence" and "Sir John Lawrence". Their last ship, the "Lady Palmerstone", was sold to John Edgar in 1889 and they retired from shipping, though they still exist as a timber firm.
John Farnworth a timber merchant 1840 Gores.
"Liverpool Legion of Honour", Vol 2, p533/4, BG Orchard, 1893 (H920-1-ORC).
A James Smith also worked for F&J 1861-67.
a widely known member of the important Timber Trade is a partner in the form of Farnworth & Jardine, 2 Dale St, and resides at The Elms, Great Sutton, Cheshire, which he purchased, with about 1 hundred acres of land seventeen years ago, and by extensive alterations has converted into one of the prettiest mansions in the Hundred of Wirral. He is the son of a Liverpool miller and corn merchant, and was born and educated in Liverpool. His business career commenced full half a century since by a brief stay in a commission and forwarding office, after which he became an apprentice to the almost historical firm of Edward Chaloner & Co., then Chaloner & Houghton. When these gentlemen separated in 1849, Mr. Owen, then just out of his time, remained with Mr. Chaloner, who made him head clerk. When Mr. Fleming, who was Mr Chaloner's partner, joined James Bland & Co., in 1854, he became Sole manager of the business, and so remained until 1861, when he joined Messrs. Farnworth & Jardine, who gave him an interest in a portion of their business. At this time they took up mahogany, building sheds and auction rooms in Regent-road, and commenced periodical sales which now have a world-wide reputation. In 1866, three years before Mr. Farnworth's death, Mr. Owen's conspicuous ability and usefulness secured a full partnership, and ever since this eminent firm has consisted of Mr. Jardine and Mr. Owen. Apart from business, in which he is known over two continents, Mr. Owen does not court general notice, although in 1889 the Royal Academy Exhibition contained a portrait group ("Home") by Mr. Phil Morris, of himself, son, and three daughters, which was in all the illustrated catalogues and in the "Graphic" and other illustrated papers. Though living twelve miles from his office, he is generally there at 9 a.m. As an auctioneer he is fluent, vigorous and clever; but ordinary platform speaking is out of his line. He is a frequent attendant, but a silent member of the Literary and Philosophical, the Microscopic, and the Philomathic Societies. But he takes interest in political matters, being a vice-president of the Wirral Liberal
Association. He has twice been cordially elected chairman of the Timber Trade Association. Like many other gentlemen eminently able in commerce, he seems to have deliberately avoided exertion of large general powers in other directions, although qualified to do so with distinction. He refuses to be prominent except as in the front rank of timber-merchants.
He has, however, relaxed so far as to print for private circulation a small book entitled "Letters home from Palestine".
Christened: 23/11/1795, St Nicholas, Liverpool. (IGI)
PR: Born 29/10/1795 of William "of Crosbie St, shipwright, and Agnes, his deceased wife. Said to have been married in Ulverstone".
Parents: William & Agnes (Branthwaite) Quilliam.
1821: a cooper of Plumbe St (Jane's dau, Elizabeth's birth)
(nb Robert Quilliam at Plumbe St 1807)
1823: a cooper of Lawton St.
1826: a cooper of Dance St.
1832: Poll Book, cooper of Prospect St, W Derby - was this him?
Married: Jane - no sign of this marriage.
IGI: William Williams married:
Jane Lowe, Wigan, 3/4/1820
Jane Jones, Manchester Cathedral, 11/7/1814
Jane Pryce, Manchester Cathedral, 30/5/1814,
1841 Census: nil at Plumbe St & Lawton St.
Issue of William & Jane
1/1. Elizabeth Quilliam, ch: 15/7/1821, a cooper of Plumbe St.
Did he remarry? No trace yet found.
Issue of William & Sarah Quilliam (on the evidence of the Census 1841 for Gt Charlotte St & PR, St Peters):
1/1. William Edward Quilliam, 5/5/1822 IGI.
1861 Census, Lime St Liverpool:
(all b L'pool) - possibility.
William E. Quilliam (38, Battler), Ellen (31), William (6), John (1)
2/1. William Quilliam abt 1855
2/2. John Quilliam abt 1860
1/2. Elizabeth Quilliam, ch: 22/6/1823, of Lawton St, a
1/3. James Quilliam, ch: 18/2/1825, IGI
1861 Census, 17 Mulberry St,
L'pool: - possibility.
James Quilliam (36, Gilder/journeyman), Mary A (26, former dressmaker, L'pool)
Also, ref Marybelle Beigh[iv] 7/2006:
Westfield NY Cemetery, old section A1, Lot 261 headstone.
JAMES B QUILLIAM, a native of Liverpool, died Jan.1,1850. aged 24.
If so, a pocket book of his exists, & Marybelle sent A Maitland a copy.
1/4. John Quilliam, ch: 30/12/1826, of Dance St, a Cooper,
1/5. Richard Giles Quilliam, ch 16/10/1828 IGI
(in index as Richard G, 1828-9
M. Emma Walsh, 11/5/1858, St Mary`s Church, Edge Hill, Liverpool. He D abt 1904.
1/6. Sarah Quilliam C: 8 Feb 1830
1861 Census, No1 Ct, Gildart St,
Liverpool Lime St, possibility.
Thomas Stainwy? (53, sailmaker), Elizabeth (48), Sarah (17), Elizabeth (9), Sarah QUILLIAM (cousin, 30, Seamstress).
1841 Census, Gt Charlotte St, (All born Lancs).
(nil at Gt Charlotte St 1851)
William Q (18, Gardener), Elizabeth (17), James (16), John (14, Engineer's Apprentice), Richard (12).
St C Index Quilliam deaths, Liverpool:
Elizabeth 6/38 II 77, 9/38 XX243 John 6/39 XX399, Teresa 9/39 XX343, Jane 12/39 XX263?, Sarah 12/39 XX268 Robert 9/40 XX333, Mary 6/41 XX364,
Elizabeth 3/42 Ulverstone 25/152, John 9/42 West Derby 20/698
Alice Ann Owen Liverpool 20/346 3/1842
Ch: 1/3/1767, St Peter's Liverpool
(or 25/5/1760, father John)
Parent: John Owen
1792: A gent of Duke St. (Henry's baptism).
Gore's Directory lists the following John Owens:
1766 & 1767: John Owen of Pool Lane, Upholsterer.
& Thomas Owens:
1787: Victualler of New Quay
1790: Blacksmith of Bakehouse Entry.
1800: A sailmaker of 47 Crosshall St, Dale St.
1800: a Joiner of 3, Smithfield St.
1803: A shoemaker of 11 College Lane
1803: A Tailor of 18, Benns Gardens (also 1804)
1807: a shopkeeper of 30 George St.
1803: A cowkeeper of 4, Cropper St (also 1804 in Tarlton St).
1832: @ Stanley St, @ Bedford St, Toxteth Park.
1835: @ Trueman St.
1835: Freeman of 15, Leeds St.
1840: @ Rupert St, @ Byrom St (house & shop).
1845: @ Norfolk St, @ Rupert St.
1850: Freeman @ Ray St.
1850: @ 27, Norfolk St.
1860: @ 38, Crown St, @ 67, Old Hall St, @ 93 Athol St.
Careful study of 1841 & 51 Census has not revealed many of these: they must be the properties which qualify the owners as electors. They must have had their abode elsewhere.
a) Mary Bancroft 5/2/1789 Bowden, Cheshire
b) Mary Parks 22/9/1787, St Nicholas, Liverpool.
Thomas OwenS, plaisterer of Liverpool, Mary Parks spinster of L'pool.
1/1. Henry Owen, ch 18/7/1792.
There are other issue of Thomas Owen on IGI, but at various locations: no real indication of which is which.
1841 Census, Byrom St:
559-20f5:Edward Owen (40 Cooper No), Elizabeth (40, No), Joseph (25, Cooper, No).
559-20f7: Thomas Owen (30 Leather Dealer, Y) Margaret Owen (30 Y).
1841 Census: Great Crosshall St: see Quilliams.
1841 Census: Rupert St: Nil
1841 Census: Moffitt Place, Hill St: Nil.
1841 Census: Crosbie St: Nil.
1851 Census, Crown St:
2182f137: Henry Owen (37 Hd Licensed Victualler, Flintshire), Emma (22 sister, Flint), Jane (19, sister, Flint), Elizabeth Wood (13 Niece).
1851 Census, Ashton St: Nil
1851 Census, Ray St: Nil.
1851 Census, Norfolk st: Nil.
Thomas Owen (1), Leather Dealer (1841):
1840, Byrom St. - 1845/50, Norfolk St.
Thomas Owen (2), freeman 1835 & 1850.
1835, 15 Leeds St?? - 1840/5, Rupert St - 1850/1, Ray St
AF has no relevant information.
IGI best bet:
PR: Born 4/10/1759, ch 14/10/59, St Peter, Liverpool, father William, a Sailor.
Parents: William Quilliam.
William Quilliam married Agnes Branthwaite in Ulverston when he was a ship carpenter of Liverpool: when his son was born he was living at Crosbie St, Liverpool, and had become a shipwright (a higher trade than a carpenter). A William Quilliam (or several Williams) were listed in the Trade directories in Crosbie St (8 & 11) between 1790 and 1832, with trades of victualler, shipwright, carpenter and gentleman. It seems likely that these are all the same person, with a variety of trades.
After 1832, a Mary Quilliam is listed in Crosbie St (notably at no 8, where William had previously been). Was she William's later wife after Agnes had died in 1795? No trace was found in 1841 Census. A will of William Quilliam, proved at Chester 9/1835, of Crosby St, Shipwright.
Earliest William Guilliame ch Manchester cathedral 26/12/1575: this seems to be a Latin version of William: hence the name.
The Guilliams/Quilliams came from the Isle of Man, where there are too many to trace this line further.
The Trade Directories for Liverpool have been studied (7/1999), but more work needs to be done.
Siblings: James Sherlicker Quillian (1/5/1757).
Also at St Peter's with same father's name: Bettey Quilliam (5/7/1741), Mary Quilliam (12/2/1744), Jane Quilliams (21/9/1746), Mary Quilliams (28/9/1750), James Guilliam (29/1/1767), Thomas Quilliam (10/12/1769). (note spellings).
Also Elizabeth Sherlock Quilliam b 1821 father Joseph.
William Quilliam (are these all the same person???):
1790 Gore: a warehouseman, 11 Crosbie St, Park Lane.
1794 Gore: A victualler, 11 Crosbie St. Remained at this address, later also a carpenter until 1818.
1795: Shipwright of Crosbie St. (son's birth)
1798; Land Tax Redemption, 1798, William Quilliam, tenant, Crosbie St (Proprietor uncertain), 2/8d tax assessed.
1811 Gore, A gent of 53 Hunter St
1816 Gore, Gent of 27, Warren St,
1818 Gore, Gent of 18 Warren St,
1823 Gore: A gent.
1829 Gore & 32, a shipwright of Crosbie St.
1832: William Quilliam, a freeman at 8 Crosbie St.
1832: poll book, shipwright of Crosbie St, voted E&S, Burgess & freeman.
1835/7/9/41: Mary Quilliam of 8, Crosbie St & 15, Crosbie St.
1841 Census: Mary Quilliam not found at Crosbie St, but record difficult to read - fragmented route.
Also: A barber etc of Frog Lane etc 1769-1804
Land Tax Redemption, 1798:
John Quilliams listed in Ulverstone, tax assessed as Proprietor & occupier 0/6d. May be related to William re marriage
Married: 19/4/1791, Ulverston, Lancs (IGI) (confirmed by son's birth).
PR: William Quilliam, ship carpenter of Liverpool, Agnes Branthwaite, spinster of Ulverston.
Christened: 6/4/1770, Ulverston, Lancs (IGI).
Parents: John Branthwaite.
Died: 11/1795, Crosbie St, Liverpool. (death records for St Nicholas Oct 1795 missing) - she was deceased when son William ch 23/11/1795; probably died in childbirth.
Married: William Quilliam 19/4/1791, Ulverston, Lancs (IGI)
1/1. William Branthwaite Quilliam
ch 23/11/1795, St Nicholas,
PR: Born 29/10/1795 of William of Crosbie St, shipwright, and Agnes, his deceased wife. Said to have been married in Ulverston.
Gore's Directory, other Quilliams:
1841 Census, Canal St, Ulverstone:
Thomas Quilliam (45, Machinist, Y), Elizabeth (40, Y), Thomas (4 mths, Y).
1807-10, a shoemaker of Plumbe St (nb Elizabeth born Plumbe St, 1821).
(1837, John Q owned a shop & house Gt Crosshall St).
1811-18, shoemaker of 29, Gt. Crosshall St
1821-25, 8, Gt Crosshall St.
1827, boot & shoemaker of 6, Gt Newton St, shop at 8, Gt Crosshall St.
1829, resident only at Gt Newton St.
1821: boot & shoemaker of 21 Henry Edward St.
1829-37: boot & shoemaker of 8, Gt Crosshall St (also Elector)
1839-47: of 17, Gt Crosshall St & Park Lane. (also Elector).
1841 Census, Great Crosshall St: John Quilliam (Hd) 35, Bootmaker, female Q (30), John Quilliam jnr (25) bootmaker.
1845: boot & shoemaker of Sandown Lane, Wavertree.
1850/1 Electors: John Quilliam the yngr, 123 Park Lane.
1860/1 Electors: John Quilliam 107 Park Lane (row of shops).
1851 Census, 123 Park Lane, Liverpool:
John Quilliam (Hd, 34, Boot & Shoe Maker, IOM), Catherine (61, Wid, mother IOM), Cartherine (24, Sister, LPL).
1861 Census, 107,109 Park Lane, Liverpool:
John Quilliam (Hd, 44, Boot & Shoe Maker, IOM), Mary (36, IOM), John (10, LPL), Mary E. (3, LPL), Joseph R (1, LPL).
1861 Census, Lincoln St, Liverpool:
John Quilliam (Hd, 24, Baker, IOM), Isabella (28, IOM), Selina (4, LPL), Elizabeth (2, LPL).
St Nicholas PR: James Q married Elizabeth Brown, both OTP, he a cooper.
Issue of James & Elizabeth (St Peters):
James (27/1/1822 of Pall Mall, Sailmaker), John (18/9/1826 of Sawney Pope, Sailmaker)
1803 Gores: a cooper of Ryley Garden, Tempest Hey.
1810-21 Gores: a cooper & flour dealer of 10, Pall Mall.
1821 Gores: James Quilliam of 12, Pall Mall, a sailmaker (PR) & flour dealer.
1823-25 Gores: sailmaker of 56, Sawney Pope St.
1827, a cooper of 31 Lawton St.
1832: Pool Book, sailmaker, Hill St Copperas Hill, Burgess & Freeman.
1839: James Quilliam Freeman of Liverpool, of Rose Place, Rose Garden.
Baptism: St. Peter’s Church, Liverpool, 26th January 1829:
William QUILLIAM: Father James Quilliam Sailmaker
Mother Elizabeth of Layton Street, Liverpool
1851 Census, Ct 2 Wright St, Toxteth Park, Liverpool:
James Quilliam (28, Sailmaker, LPL), Margaret (25, LPL), Samson (5, LPL), Robert (2, LPL), Richard (7mths, Toxteth Park).
1811: joiner of 6, Portland Place.
Ball Court Jervis St Liverpool Quilliam Daniel Hd 31 Joiner Journeyman Liverpool
Ball Court Jervis St Liverpool Quilliam Elizabeth W 30 Liverpool
1823-25: plumber of 29 Williamson St
1829-43: a tailor of Lionel St.
1841 Census, Gerrard St, Liverpool:
Samuel Quilliam (45, Taylor, N), James (15, Y), Ann (40, Y), Rebecca (20, Y).
1829-41: watchmaker of Clarendon buildings and then 53,
Brownlow St. He left a will of about 20000 stlg.
Son: William Henry Quilliam, Muslim solicitor.
1840/2 Elector: Samuel Quilliam @ Gt Newton St.
1851 Census, Elliot St, Liverpool:
Samuel Quillan (Hd, 39, Watchmaker emp 20 men, LPL), Mary (41, LPL), Robert (19, Watchmaker, LPL), John (13, Watchmaker, LPL), Hariot?(9, scholar, LPL), Samuel (7, scholar, LPL), George (4, Scholar, LPL).
1861 Census, 28 Elizabeth St, Liverpool:
Samuel Quilliam (Hd, 51 watch manufacturer emp 12 boys & generally 30 men), Mary (51), Samuel (16), George (13), Alfred (9), William H. (6), John O (10). All b. Liverpool
1861 Census, 30 Elizabeth St, Liverpool:
Robert Quilliam (29, Commercial Traveler, LPL), Harriet (29, Warrington), William H. (4, LPL).
1841 Census, Great Newton St, Liverpool:
James Quilliam (30, Watchmaker, y), Mary (30, n), Sarah (65, independent, n), Joseph (6), John (4), Mary (1)
Thu, 27 Jul 2006 17:10:15 -0400
"Marybelle Beigh" firstname.lastname@example.org
Yes, I noticed that entry for the James Q in 1861 census...
Anyway, are you interested in my photocopying the journal pages and snail mailing them to you, since they do have entries regarding goods and such???
Intriguing! He could have been a son of my William Branthwaite & Sarah, although I have a census entry for a James Q in Liverpool 1861 also of the right age. More work required!
Marybelle Beigh wrote:
Hi Antony! Just got home from Westfield NY Cemetery, old section A1, Lot 261.Headstone reads:--------------JAMES B QUILLIAM---------------a native of Liverpool ENGLAND died Jan.1,1850.aged 24 years <<< >>> Am thinking that the "B" might stand for Braitwaith (sp?)??? Awaiting your advice re snail-mailing you photocopies of the journal pages. Marybelle
Sun, 16 Jul 2006
Ok, I went onto your website identified in the email you sent me. Although I found a couple of instances where there were a William Quilliam and a James Quilliam, I have not researched enough of what is here to begin to make any sort of guess regarding my theory about the mystery James Quilliam's headstone (JQ being from Liverpool) and William Quilliam's headstone - (the brother to James Quilliam, my own ancestor) - both being on the same cemetery lot in Westfield NY Cemetery - and hence possibly being blood related - father-son, or uncle-nephew, or such.
Also, I have skimmed through the little leather book that seems to be a sort of combination of cash accounts book, spiritual journal, and repository for some poetry input by another Quilliam - Jennie Quilliam is how the poems are signed. The book itself was published in London and is titled by the publisher as "Marshall's New Pocket Book and Almanac for 184_ (a numeral "2" is written into the blank) LONDON:
Renshaw and Kirkman, 12, Budge Row. --- Price 1s 6d"
Written on the back of the title page are two different handwritten pencilled names: "James Quilliam 32 Grand St 5/10/42" and "Miss Marian Quilliam Chautauqua" (Marian Quilliam is my great grandmother, a daughter of James Quilliam and Margaret Cain from the Isle of Man).
There follows, printed by Marshall's Pocket Book, a poem and description of the demise of Ipsara in 1824. It is entitled: "A Leaf from the History of Ipsara." (the printing comprises pages 3 thru 8), and on the bottom of page 8, James, or one of the contributors to the "journal" has written what looks like "how aweful" (although I find the first word difficult to read).
Next are the edges of what may have been 4 pages sliced out of the book. On the following page, in excellent ink script is titled "Cash Book".
There follows four more pages of cash accounting dating from Nov 13, 1841, through Dec 28, 1841. At the bottom of the 3rd page of this accounting, a 3rd handwritten, signed poem is penned as follows: "Remember me When this you see Menna Quilliam"
James next has a number of pages of what appears to be spiritual journalling, plus other pages about exporting, and even something that he signs, Quilliam coppied [sic] 3 May 1842 fm the Manx advertise. (this is on his numbered page 24 in the upper left hand corner of page).
On his page 29, there is some larger script that starts with two lines that are crossed out (Samuel Quilliam Jr sailed out of dock the 3) and then continues:
"Saml Quilliam Jr hauled out of dock in Brig Trio Captn Boag 28th May 1840 Saild out of river 2 days after was 2(4) [the second numeral is scribbled over and not really readable) on the 20th Octr 1842 & was lost on the 1st of Novr 1840"
over the page small writing continues:
"having left San Blas on the coast of South America on the Trio at 8 o clock in the morning of the before mentioned day When a hurricaing [sic] came on at 2 o clock in the afternoon Which is supposed Sunk her having never been Since heard of She had no cargo on board Only balast which makes it the more probable"
This is the most fascinating journal I've ever read!!! I would be happy to photocopy the pages of the journal and snail-mail them to you.
There is a 2 quatrain poem on his page 27 but written in pencil (different handwriting) and signed Mennie Q.
My mother, whose grandmother was Marian Quilliam, doesn't recall ever hearing the name "Menna" or "Mennie" Quilliam. Also Marian was born in 1846, after this journal was written, so I suspect that the reason her name is in the front may be that she had come into the possession of the book after James Quilliam died.
After I fix my dog's supper and also mine, I'm going to go over to the Westfield Cemetery and see if I can get more information from the very weathered headstone of James Quilliam of Liverpool.
Please advise re the contents of the journal, if you would like photocopies of the pages. You might be better able to decipher the accounting and export and other trades sort of info.
Sat, 15 Jul 2006
Thanks for responding to my email request.
I've found my primary James Quilliam, wife Margaret, (both age 26) and two daughters - Ellenor 4, and Margaret 1, arriving in New York from Liverpool on the Barque Mary, Jun 12, 1834. They buried at sea, another daughter, Elizabeth, on the voyage. (All of the above were born in Isle of Man). Their son, James Daniel Quilliam, was born 2 Feb 1836 in Rensselaer Co, NY. They also had another Elizabeth, a son Philip, and 4 more daughters - Susana, Rebekah, Marian Harriet, and Asenath - born in Chautauqua Co, NY. Marian was my great grandmother. James and Margaret, Elizabeth, Phillip, Susana, Rebekah, Marian, and Asenath are all buried in Chautauqua Co cemeteries, primarily Westfield NY. James Daniel is buried in Nashville TN. I have quite a few Census records for most of this family as well.
I need to dig out the James Quilliam diary/acct book and review what it has in it - as I recall, there wasn't very much in it, but that may be because I determined that it wasn't the James Quilliam that was my ancestor. The fact that it was in the possession of my Dibble Family, however, means there must be some connection. Also, although the headstone of James Quilliam that is in the Westfield NY Cemetery does not appear to be directly related to the Quilliams on whose lot the headstone rests, I have a feeling that he just may be related to William Quilliam who is also buried on one of their lots, and who was an uncle to James' and Margaret's children (making him likely James' brother. So possibly this mystery James Quilliam is a cousin to the James Daniel Quilliam who died from wounds in the Civil War. (I just returned home from a reunion of JDQ's regiment the 154th in the GAR.
I will explore your website and family tree, and find the "diary" and get back to you regarding what I discover.
BTW, when I took my mother on a tour to the British Isles for her 80th birthday present in 1997, we talked about taking a side trip to the Isle of Man, but decided that it would be too much for her at her age. We know a wee bit about the Isle of Man, and Roy Floyd Dibble - my mother's favorite uncle - apparently attempted to find descendants of some common Quilliam ancestors when he visited the Isle of Man on his world travels, but was unsuccessful as well.
Sent: Saturday, July 15, 2006
Thanks for email. I have all my information on the Quilliams on my website: www.antonymaitland.com/owen0001.htm
I have spent quite a bit of time in Liverpool trying to sort out the various Quilliams in the early 19thC, without a huge amount of success. They do not figure much on the IGI and there were a lot of people in Liverpool even then and many parishes. Other sources such as census's show a certain amount. Anyway, I have a number of them in that file as notes for further investigation. The Quilliams came from the Isle of Man, where there are lots as well. If you do not know the geography, the Isle of Man is not very far from the English coast north of Liverpool and there would have been a lot of trade between the 2.
Let me know if any I have on my site look relevant. I am always open to ideas!
I would be interested to know the contents of the diary - does it mention any trades (you will see I have found out a bit about them from trade directories in Liverpool library).
Marybelle Beigh wrote: 11/7/06.
Hi Antony and Kenneth, My name is Marybelle Beigh and I am doing genealogy research on my family tree of Dibbles and Quilliams. I live in Westfield NY, and in the Westfield Cemetery, there is a headstone for a James Quilliam (died 1 Jan 1850, AE 21 or 24 yrs, native of Liverpool England - according to weather worn inscription) that does not connect with any of the other Quilliam headstones, although it is lying behind headstones for Asenath Quilliam and Ida Quilliam. Asenath was a daughter of James Quilliam (b 1807) and Margaret S Cain (b 1807) both of the Isle of Mann. James and Margaret also had a son, James Daniel Quilliam, born in 1836 in Renssalaer NY, who married Rhoda Dibble. This James Daniel Quilliam died of wounds suffered in the Civil War and is buried in a military cemetery in Tennesee. James Quilliam of Isle of Mann had a number of siblings, one of whom was a William Quilliam who died in Westfield NY in 1868 and has a "monument" headstone near Ida and Asenath, and the James Quilliam of Liverpool's "downed" headstone. The parents of James and William are unknown except that their mother's maiden name was Togman, and apparently came from the Isle of Mann. I also have an old account book/diary with a few notes, that belonged to a James Quilliam of Liverpool. It is not likely the possession of either James Quilliam (Isle of Mann) or James D Quilliam (NY USA).I located your family trees for James Quilliam of Liverpool, on Ancestry.com, and am hoping that perhaps you will be able to help me identify the headstone and notesbook of the James Quilliam of Liverpool ... perhaps our William Quilliam is the father of our unknown James Quilliam??? Please let me know if this is a possibility, and any other information that might be helpful... and if we have a positive connection, perhaps we can share even more to clear up the mysteries... Thanks!Marybelle
From Internet, 25/3/06, from p563 B. Guinness Orchard, Liverpool's Legion of Honour, Birkenhead, 1893]
QULLIAM (Wm. HENRY), of 21 Fairfield-crescent, Fairfield, "our Mahomedan solicitor," is a son of a watch manufacturer who was in a large way of business, and whose other children still carry it on at 32 Elizabeth-street, Liverpool. As a youth he was much among Wesleyans, but afterwards attended the ministry of the late Rev Charles Beard, a famous Unitarian. When about seventeen, however, being sent to Algeria for his health's sake, he became interested in Mahomedanism to so great a degree that ultimately he became a convert, and has remained a Mahomedan, anxious and zealous to propagate that creed in his native country. Mr. Quilliam is a solicitor, with an office at 15 Manchester-street, near the Police Courts, where he is in large practice, popular in certain classes of society as an advocate who represents his clients' cause as earnestly and fearlessly as if it were his own. Through his exertions a Mahomedan Mosque has been added to the various other peculiar places of worship in Liverpool, and there he is in the habit of publicly explaining the beliefs and usages of this religion. The Mahomedan Mosque is in West Derby-road. In 1891 he visited Constantinople with his son, whom he is educating in the faith of Islam, when they were received with special favour by its chiefs, and admitted to an audience by the Sultan, who afterwards sent Mr. Quilliam some valuable presents.
Also on the site, but probably not correct:
"Abdullah William Quilliam":
W H Quilliam is son of Liverpool-born Robert Henry Quilliam and Harriet Burrows, R.H. Quilliam is mostly likely son of Liverpool-born Samuel Quilliam who is probably the son of Robert Quilliam and Ann Winn (birth 14 Dec & ch 27 Dec 1809 St Nicholas, Liverpool) - it is just possible that this Robert is the youngest brother of John Quilliam.
C51 2180 f317, Joseph Quilliam, 45 labourer of Ulverston? +
Who was Joseph Q and family born Ulseaton, wife of Millom aged 45 1851?
1861 Census, 81 Soho St, Liverpool:
Joseph Quilliam, (Hd, 37, Shoe Maker, IOM), Eliza (34, IOM), Rebecca (12, Scholar, LPL), Emma (10, Scholar, LPL), Joseph (8, Scholar, LPL), George (6, Scholar, LPL), Eliza (4, LPL), John (3, LPL).
Thomas Owen, house, Stanley St.
John Quilliam, house, Gt Crosshall St.
William Quilliam, house, Sydney St.
William Quilliam, house, Prospect St, Toxteth Park.
Thomas Owen, house, Bedford St, Toxteth Park.
William Quilliam, Prospect St.
William Quilliam, 8 Crosbie St.
James Quilliam, Lambert St.
James Quilliam, 9, Moffitts Place, Hill St, Coppelars Hill.
John Quilliam, house & shop, Great Crosshall St.
Samuel Quilliam, house & shop, Prospect St.
Thomas Owen, house, Trueman St.
Thomas Owen, 15, Leeds St.
James Quilliam, Moffitt Place, Hill St.
Thomas Owen, house, Rupert St.
Thomas Owen, house & shop, Byrom St.
Samuel Quilliam, house, Great Newton St.
John Quilliam, house & shop Great Crosshall St.
Thomas Owen, house, Salisbury St, Everton.
John Quilliam, house, Gt Crosshall St.
John Quilliam, house & shop, Park Lane.
Thomas Owen, house, Norfolk St.
Thomas Owen, house, Rupert St.
Samuel Quilliam, House & shop, Ranelagh St.
Samuel Quilliam, house, Great Newton St.
Henry Owen, house, Moira St, W. Derby.
Thomas Owen, Freeman, Ray St.
Thomas Owen, house, 27, Norfolk St.
Henry Owen, house & shop, 2, Ashton St.
Henry Owen, house, 45, Crown St.
Samuel Quilliam, house & shop, Elliot St.
John Quilliam the yngr, house & shop, 123, Park Lane.
Thomas Owen: 38, Crown St.
Thomas Owen: 67 Old Hall St.
Thomas Owen: 93 Athol St.
John Quilliam: 107 Park Lane (row of shops)
William Edward Quilliam, Freeman, Moor Court, Hanley St.
1861 Census, Mackenzie Court, Liverpool (all b. LPL):
William E. Quilliam (38, Battler), Ellen (31), William (6), John (1).
Chester Wills, Quilliam:
James, Liverpool, gent, 12/1831.
William, Liverpool, collector of tolls, 1/1834
William, shipwright, Crosby St, Liverpool, 9/1835.
William, gent, Liverpool, all same will: 5/1821, 7/1826, 12/35 & 1852.
William, of Liverpool, mariner, Ad 14/11/1803.
William, of Liverpool, shipkeeper, 27/7/1806.
A summary to aid understanding the following data:
Newport Urmston Voyce M. Elizabeth (widow [bef 1841] of Quilliam, b. abt 1803, Liverpool)
1/1. Thomas Newport Voyce, b abt 1848, Liverpool.
m. 1875 Everton Emmanuel,
Liverpool Charlotte Durrans – b. 1852, Huddersfield
2/1. Thomas Voyce, b 23/1/1884, d. 6/3/1936.
3/1. Thomas R. Voyce, b 1884, m. Alice Carr
4/1. Elsie Charlotte, M William Arthur Wild.
5/1. Michael John Wild, see below.
2/2. Jepson Newport Voyce, b 1878.
3/1. Alfred Voyce, m. Marion Hampson, 1938.
marriage did not last. Marion later lived with (we always thought married but it turned out not!) Cornelius GRICE and the VOYCE children took his surname. (ref Victoria Grice, 2/05)
2/3. Clara Voyce.
2/4. Whitson Voyce.
No trace was found of marriage of Newport Voyce & Elizabeth Q.
1837-48, but several Voyce's married in the period in Manchester.
IGI Newport Urmson Voyce, ch 5/6/1807, St Nic L'pool, Thomas/Catherine.
1848 & 9 Gores: Newport Urmson Voyce, pilot, 14 Oswald St. (also Peter, 37 Standish St)
1841 Census, Rose Place, Liverpool:
Newport Voyce (30, Y), Elizabeth Quilliam (30, Y), William Quilliam (12, Y), Robert Quilliam (4, Y).
1851 Census: Baines Court, Shaws Brow (see Henry Owen's list of mills)
Newport Voyce (46, mariner, L'pool) Elizabeth Voyce (48, Liverpool), William Quilliam (stepson, 25, sailmaker, L'pool), Thomas Voyce (son,3, Liverpool)
1871 Census, 14 Holford St, Everton: William Q (Hd, 44, sailmaker), Leanora (wf, 44), Catherine (dau, 16, dressmaker), William W (s, 13, office boy), Elizabeth Voyce (wid, 75, mother), Thomas N Voyce (stepbrother, Joiner). All b Liverpool.
1872&3 Gores: William Q, sailmaker, 14 Holford St, Everton.
1881 Census: William Q, sailmaker, 54, Everton
Email from Mike Wild[v] Oct 2004.
Thomas Newport Voyce was my G-Grandfather! I also have him born in 1848 and living a 61 Sedley Street, Walton Breck, L'pool. This is in the Everton area so that would also relate.
As far as the information goes I have it that TNV married a Charlotte Durrans, b. Huddersfield 1852.
I also believe that he was a joiner as was his son, my grandfather Thomas Voyce (b 23-1-1884) whose indentures I possess - who, as a master carpenter worked on the Screen of the Anglican Cathedral in Liverpool. I also have some of his tools. He enlisted 18-1-16, served in France, survived and died of cancer 6-3-36.
From Mike Wild, 29/10/04
Thomas Newport Voyce – b. 1848
married 1875 Everton Emmanuel, Liverpool
Charlotte Durrans – b. 1852, Huddersfield
1881 Census – living 10 Holford St, West Derby, L’pool
Clara Jepsom Whitson
b. 1880 b. 1878 b. ?
Married Alex ? ? Moved to Australia or S Africa
moved to Scotland then disappeared (bush fire?)
Died @ 1995
Also living in house in 1881 was Betsy E Durrans b 1866 – Book Seller
7 year apprenticeship as carpenter began 20-01-1898
enlisted Royal Engineers 18-01-16 Demobbed 23-02-19 d. 06-03-36 (lung cancer)
Alice Carr b. 20-10-1887
daughter of John Parsonage Carr, coachman (b 1837) & Sarah Ann Hirst, baker (b1839) 68 Sedley St. L’pool
Elsie Charlotte Gladys Gertrude
b. 11-10-1914 married Edward Jackson married William? died
living in Bury, Lancs no children one child Marjorie Remarried Alfred Sait
both deceased both deceased
William Arthur Wild b 19-04-1912
Chartered Secretary & Mineral Water Manufacturer, son of…
*William Thomas Wild b 1879.
Michael John b 06-06-49 Andrew Thomas b. 22-12-46
married to Judy Gardner married to Denise Higham
b. Kuala Lumpur 11-01-58 Living in Clitheroe, Lancs
daughter of James Gardner (d),
Rubber Planter and Freeman of Lancaster.
Currently living in Cheltenham
Leyna Marie b. 22-12-82 Amy (17) & Emma (12)
3rd Y Drama Student, Chester College both at school
Alexander , b 20-07-86
* William Thomas Wild b 1879.
Interesting man. Born into dire poverty (or so the story goes) the son of William Wild – there’s a verbal history (?) that he was a cousin to Jimmy Wilde the Welsh World champion boxer (?) - & Emily Puddeford (?) [supposedly Spanish albeit 1881 census has her as being born in Middlesex] . Was Matron of an Asylum (?)
Five children – first 3 born in Liverpool area.
Went to work in mill at 12 (?). Started lending pennies and halfpennies to fellow workers. Built up enough capital to buy some goods from Manchester Docks and sold them at market… Eventually bought the mill! Somehow managed to avoid WW1 !!!
Was Liberal Councillor for Heywood, Lancs for many years. Father of council. Twice declined Mayorship.
During WW2 was unofficial cotton Industry Ombudsman to Government.
Bought Soft Drinks Company – Wild Brothers – and several other businesses.
Once declined approach by man called Smith to finance a business deep frying thin slices of potato !!!!
Lamplugh, a parish in Cumbria, has printed records in Carlisle back to about 1580. Good preservation except for 1660-85. A family named Lamplugh had Lamplugh Hall until early 18thC, when it passed to Walkers, inter alia.
Many Branthwaites were born at Whinney (Winnow), a hamlet or farm SW of Lamplugh village. References to Kelton, a Park South of Lamplugh, Millgillhead also south of Lamplugh and Toadles: probably the Toadle Beck, near Lamplugh. Murton where some Hodgsohn's lived is about 1 mile S of Whinney.
John Branthwaite was Rector of Lamplugh 1635 until his death in 1652.
Dean records are also in printed version and in good preservation.
In May 2000, the sequence below has not been fully checked, but is the most likely. The move from Agnes born in Ulverston and John Branthwaite below in Lamplugh is a bit speculative. More work required here.
There is no certainty about where Jno Branthwaite, father of Agnes came from.
There are a number further north in Cumbria, and a line can be constructed from the Lamplugh Branthwaites to a John born 1728, who then moved from Lamplugh to Ulverston. However, other evidence indicates that this John remained in Lamplugh, and married Elizabeth Walker in 1755, and died there in 1804 leaving a grandson Walker Branthwaite (1811-1859) (ref Ben Yielding[vi]).
The IGI only gives 2 possible John's, this one and the son of George (see below). Lamplugh & Cockermouth are close.
Another possibility: descended from Daniel B who was a mariner in 1689.
See note ref Whinney ownership.
Issue of Anthony & Mary (Bowman) Branthwaite:
Ch: (PR/IGI) John: 17/9/1728, Lamplugh, Cumberland
Ch: (PR) Jonathan: 7/1/1732, Lamplugh.
No record of the death of John has been seen so far.
Ch 20/2/1735, Cockermouth, s of George (S of Joshua) & Jane
Seems too young for children born 1752.
Unrecorded son of John & Margaret (Riggs) Branthwaite
John Branthwaite married Margaret Riggs, 23/8/1722, Priory Ch, Cartmel Lancs. Town End is about 5 miles East of Cartmel, which is about 10 miles NE of Ulverston.
Children of John & Margaret (Riggs) Branthwaite, ch Towne, Westmoreland:
Edward, 18/12/1722, Anne, 6/12/1723
Issue (ref IGI & PR, ch of John B, no wife: ch Ulverston):
1/1. William Branthwaite ch. 11/10/1752.
1/2. Jno. Branthwaite ch 18/11/1754.
PR son of Mr Jno B. of U, Barber.
1/3. Margaret Branthwaite ch. 12/4/1757.
1/4. Mary Branthwaite ch. 8/4/1758.
1/5. James Branthwaite ch. 6/3/1759.
1/6. Jenny Branthwaite ch. 4/11/1760. dau of Mr Jno B. of U.
1/7. Edward Branthwaite ch. 21/3/1762.
son of Mr Jno of U, Barber
1/8. Betty Branthwaite ch. 22/11/1763. dau of Jno B of U.
1/9. Peggy Branthwaite ch. 29/12/1764.
1/10. Nancy Branthwaite ch. 9/9/1765. dau of Jno B. of U,
1/11. Agnes Branthwaite ch. 6/4/1770. dau of Jno B. of U.
Marriages of John Branthwaite on IGI:
M: 28 Sep 1755 Elizabeth WALKER Lamplugh, Cumberland,
M: 5 Jul 1786 Ann WILKINSON Lowther, Westmorland, England
M: 11 Nov 1797 Sarah HOSKINS Saint Nicholas, Whitehaven, Cumberland,
M: 31 Dec 1810 Peggy EDMONDSON Greystoke, Cumberland,
M: 3 Apr 1823 Mary Ann CARTER Lamplugh, Cumberland,
PR Blawith, Cumbria, originally in parish of Ulverstone:
26 Oct 1765 Robert Elletson, Blawith, & Anne Branthwaite, chapelry of Broughton wit: George Park, Anne Park.
Broughton Beck, south of Blawith, in Lancs, N of Ulverstone.
Several Braithwaites here and in marriages.
Egton was originally a chapelry, in the parish and union of ULVERSTON, hundred of LONSDALE, north of the Sands, N. Division of the county of LANCASTER, 20 miles (W.) from Milnthorpe; containing 515 inhabitants.
The chapelry comprises 3143a. 3r. 6p. At Greenodd, a creek within the limits of the port of Lancaster, a considerable quantity of iron in bars, copper-ore, slate, hoops, tanned leather, gunpowder, pyroligneous acid, and other articles of merchandise, are shipped for Liverpool, Glasgow, and Whitehaven.
The living is a perpetual curacy, net income, £92; patron, J.P. Machell, Esq. The chapel is dedicated to the Blessed Mary.
Henry Lindow, in 1735, gave property, now producing about £6 per annum, for the support of a school.
From: Topographical Dictionary of England, by Samuel Lewis, London, 5th Edition, 1842. Vol. II, page 144. London, 1842.
Jennifer Hart, 7/2008:[vii]
I have just found your family history website and discovered distant linkages with my own via Branthwaites in Cumbria.
It gets so difficult to track relatives when there are so many of the same names but I have a Thomas and Mary Hodgson married at Lamplugh in 1808.
Mary was an Atkinson but her mother was Elizabeth Branthwaite, very likely the daughter of John ( ACO 9/11) and a witness at Thomas and Mary's wedding was Jonathon Branthwaite.
John and Elizabeth Atkinson nee Branthwaite were married at Lamplugh 17April 1785. John was a blacksmith of Whinnow, Lanefoot Forge.
I'm interested to see the Hodgson link with Bowmans/ Branthwaites that you have found.
I've come to a dead end with my Thomas Hodgson and have been unable to find any birth record for him, quite disappointing as he is one I would really like to trace back. Thomas was a miller at Kelton between 1814/17.
As a yeoman, probably the owner of the farm at Whinney.
Ch: 15/9/1702, Lamplugh
Parents: Joshua Branthwaite.
Died: PR shows Anthony Branthwaite, widower, bur 16/3/1780.
Described as a "yeoman" on baptismal entries.
Married: (IGI) Mary Bowman, 23/11/1727, Dean, Cumberland.
(PR) he of Lamplugh, she of Ullock, Dean, Banns.
Ch: (IGI best bet) 19/2/1705, Dean, Cumberland.
(Dean next parish to Lamplugh).
Parents: John & Mary (Hodgson)
Married: Anthony Branthwaite 23/11/1727, Dean
Issue: (IGI ch Lamplugh, PR shows of Whinney):
1/1. John Branthwaite, (17/9/1728),
1/2. Joshua Branthwaite, (24/9/30),
1/3. Jonathan Branthwaite, (7/6/32),
1/4. Ann Branthwaite, (7/9/34),
1/5. Mary Branthwaite, (PR:3/2/36, d. 8/4/57),
1/6. Elizabeth Branthwaite, (PR:14/6/38, d. 11/7/53),
1/7. Sarah Branthwaite, (30/12/40),
1/8. Anthony Branthwaite, (12/2/43),
Married: Elizabeth Palmer 19/4/1769, St Mary, Carlisle.
Mary O'Neal 13/5/1769, St Bees, Cumberland.
Issue of both in IGI.
1/9. Alice Branthwaite, (16/4/45),
1/10. Jane Branthwaite, (1/6/48),
1/11. Martha Branthwaite, (PR:17/4/50, d. 22/6/50).
Born abt 1670-80 (PR missing for this period)
IGI has no suitable Joshua Branthwaites and no suitable marriages.
PR shows bur 20/7/1707, of Whinney.
Issue (IGI & PR, Lamplugh):
1/1. Anthony Branthwaite (15/9/1702),
1/2. John Branthwaite (13/8/1704),
1/3. George Branthwaite (12/1/1707,
PR born between 3 & 4pm, 5th.
A carpenter in 1731 & 33.
Married (IGI): Jane Osmotherley (IGI nil sig), 2/2/1730, Brigham.
Issue (Cockermouth IGI):
2/1. George Branthwaite, (2/12/1731, Lamplugh PR),
2/2. Ann Branthwaite, (Lamplugh PR 5/8/1733),
2/3. John Branthwaite, (20/5/35),
2/4. Joseph Branthwaite, (10/7/37),
2/5. Jonathan Branthwaite, (29/12/39),
2/6. Jane Branthwaite, (16/4/49),
2/7. George Branthwaite, (3/12/52)
Also Breeding: Daniel B. 1711-23.
Daniel B, householder of Toadler bur L. 19/9/1733.
Mercy B., widow of Whinney, bur 24/3/1741.
John Branthwaite & Elizabeth Walker
As a yeoman, probably the next owner of Whinney: was he thus the son of Anthony and not George?. If so, who was Agnes' father?
Parents: 20/5/1735, Cockermouth of George Branthwaite (ch 12/1/1707, son of Joshua).
Married: possibly Elizabeth Walker, 28/9/1755, Lamplugh.
several alternative Elizabeth's on IGI. Marriage entry gives them both OTP, he a husbandman, she a spinster.
Elizabeth poss of family @ Lamplugh Hall.
Issue (IGI ch Lamplugh, PR: yeoman of Whinney):
1/1. Joshua Branthwaite, (7/1/1758),
Joshua B, bur 14/10/1794, age 36, lately married.
1/2. Mary Branthwaite, (25/5/60),
1/3. Elizabeth Branthwaite, (15/5/63),
1/4. Hannah Branthwaite, (14/10/65),
1/5. John Branthwaite, (9/8/67),
1/6. Jonathan Branthwaite, (18/3/70),
1/7. Antony Branthwaite, (3/3/71, Bur 12/7/1771??)
1/8. John Branthwaite, 3/3/71, bur 12/7/71???),
1/9. Sarah Branthwaite, (10/11/72, bur 11/12/72).
Many John Bowman's: difficult to choose!
Married: Mary Hogshon, 27/8/1702, Lamplugh (many on IGI)
John Bowman snr of Ullock bur 9/2/1721 (Dean PR).
1/1. Mary Bowman (19/2/1705) (only child).
Ch: 9/1/1595, Lamplugh, of Whinney.
Issue (IGI & PR, Lamplugh):
1/1. Anthony Branthwaite, (2/2/1625),
1/2. Agnes Branthwaite, (19/2/28),
1/3. Dorothy Branthwaite, (20/8/30),
1/4. George Branthwaite, (10/3/33),
Dau Elizabeth bur
7/4/1658. Assumed from PR
George Branthwaite bur 10/8/1701. ditto
1/5. Isabel Branthwaite, (11/11/38),
1/6. Lancelot Branthwaite, (28/11/41),
1/7. John Branthwaite, (12/1/45).
Joshua, father of Anthony (ch 15/9/1702) was probably the son or grand-son of one of these children, born abt 1670-80.
IGI: A George B m Anne Thompson Camerton, Cumberland, 10/10/1667
Issue (Lamplugh PR, of Whinney):
1/1. Jonathan (2/12/1688),
1/2. Mary (16/4/1686),
1/3. Grace (27/12/1691 IGI).
Also ch Lamplugh: 12/2/1689, Ann dau of Daniel B of Whithowe, mariner. (Whitehaven?)
Issue (PR Lamplugh, all of Whinney):
1/1. Anthony Branthwaite, (9/1/1595),
1/2. John Branthwaite, (27/2/1596),
Becomes rector, died 10/2/1652
(assumed from PR)
Dau Elizabeth ch 8/10/1637.
1/3. David Branthwaite, (29/9/1599),
1/4. Elizabeth Branthwaite, (22/2/1601),
1/5. Jannet Branthwaite, (27/9/04),
1/6. Margarett Branthwaite, (13/2/06).
17/8/2000: Added Gore's for William & Henry Owen.
18/3/2001: minor changes to Kirk-Owens
8/4/2001: link to Alice
13/6/2001: resaved HTML from Word
22/7/2001: detail changes
28/8/2001: added Farnworth & Jardine, Shaw's Brow, Electors & Index.
16/12/2001: detail changes
16/1/2002: Kirk-Owen/Stibbard details.
6/2/2002: Brown: New file of their ancestry.
12/7/2002: minor changes.
28/9/2002: 1901 Census
16/3/2003: Ellen J Brown will.
26/3/2004: Misc extra & links checked
3/3/2005: Voyce info.
15/8/2005: Misc Census
20/11/2006: minor changes
23/1/11: small additions – about Mary Ellen Owen 1820.