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3.1 REGINALD (REX) KIRK-OWEN
AC03/01
Born: 8/6/1915 Calgary (after early confusion by the
military, confirmed in their records from his Birth Certificate).
Parents: Frederick Kirk-Owen & Florence Dolman
DiedDC: 31/8/1959, Blagdon House, Keevil, Wilts.
D/C: age 44, Barrister at Law, of Carcinoma of lung & Carcinoma of Colon
(Excised). Informant RL Vernon, causing body to be cremated, Keevil Manor,
Trowbridge.
Married, 1stJT: Jocelyn Farmer 21/9/1939.
MarriedEAC, 2nd: Elisabeth Chadwick, 25/3/1949, Victoria BC.
For her family details see Chadwick File
EAC 23/3/98
RKO & EAKO to UK abt 1951-2
Rex worked for Post Office at nights while studying for the Bar.
He worked in Toronto before they met in 1942 while Rex in Army.
EAV thinks Rex may have been born in 1915 not 1916 as said normally.
Issue of Rex & Betty Kirk-Owen:
1/1. Alice Kirk-Owen born 3/10/1956.
John Thompson, Rex's nephew, assembled details of his early life, with additions
from his second wife, Elisabeth Chadwick:
Rex lived with his parents, initially in the Calgary area, but the family moved
to BC in the 20's, at Barnard Ave, and Brunswick Ave., Vernon. Rex & Betty
revisited the area in 1950.
He had a distinguished war career, initially training in the Artillery and
serving in Canada, amongst others in Coastal Batteries in BC (his first wartime
command was Fort Rodd Hill, BC), until 1944, when he shipped to England, still
in the Artillery. He transferred into the Infantry in early 1945, into the 16th
Canadian Scottish Regiment. He was twice wounded, the first time accidentally
on a motor bike, the second time by enemy fire near the German border in the
region of Kleve, while taking part in the liberation of Holland. His sister,
Pauline remembers Rex having very sore left leg when he came back from the war.
Some of his time was spent working behind enemy lines with Dutch Resistance. On
demobilisation as a Major, he worked in the City Engineer's Department,
Victoria, living in Quadra Street and then Rockhead Avenue after marriage to
Betty Chadwick (a flat in a former Governor General's house). There are a
couple of press references to him, confirming his war time service[1].
He married 1st Jocelyn Farmer, 21/9/1939:
"Kirk-Owen-Farmer Rites In North Vancouver[2].
NORTH VANCOUVER. — Jocelyn, only daughter of Mr. and Mrs. H.
W. Farmer of North Vancouver, was married to Reginald (Rex) Kirk-Owen, eldest
son of Mr. and Mrs. F. Kirk-Owen, Thursday evening at six thirty. Rev. W. H. L.
West officiated.
The bride wore an afternoon frock of queen’s blue French
wool crepe with navy accessories. She carried a prayer book and a bouquet of
roses and lily of the valley. She was attended by Miss Derdrie Phelen, wearing
a dress in Lorenzo brown.
Mr. Peter Kirk-Owen was groomsman for his brother.
After a honeymoon south the bride and groom will live here.
They were divorced in January 1949.
Issue of Reginald & Jocelyn Kirk-Owen:
1/1. Peter Kirk-Owen, b 1946.
A lawyer. Vice Chairman of
Worker's Compensation Review Board (1986).
Married: Jennifer Davis, since divorced.
Issue:
2/0. Son Owen.
2/1. Gregory Kirk-Owen.
2/2. Reginald Kirk-Owen, b 10/1986
2/3. Bronwyn Kirk-Owen, b. 10/1986
1/2. Jill Kirk-Owen, 9/1/1943.
Married: John Ford
Issue:
2/1. Sean Ford.
On return from the war, Rex and another started a Cold Store business in Prince
George (about 500 miles north of Vancouver, on the Fraser River):
PRINCE GEORGE, April 27[3].
—Construction of a $35,000 cold storage plant is underway here by D. F. Thomas
and Rex Kirk Owen, partners in Northern Cold Storage, formed by the former war
buddies to provide 500 lockers for local residents.
This was apparently not a success, and Rex lost a lot of family money!
He first met Elisabeth Chadwick ("Betty") in about 1942 while he was
in the Army. They re-met by chance on his return from Europe in 1945, and were
married in 1949.
Betty was a matron of honour at the wedding of William Ash in Victoria in 1952:
the press reports give an impression of the times! Betty used to talk about the
Ash’s – he was probably in the Navy with Betty’s brother Maurice.
Mrs. Reginald Kirk-Owen entertained at a cocktail party for Miss Pamela Davies
and Lt.- Cmdr. William N. Ash, RN, who are to be married in St. Luke’s Church
Friday. The bride will be given in marriage by Captain J. D. Prentice. RCN,
Retd. A naval guard of honour will be formed at the church by officers of HMS
Challenger. Miss Davies is the daughter of Mr. and Mrs. C. Davies of Hastings,
New Zealand[4].
......Mrs. Reginald Kirk Owen was matron of honour for the
bride. A deeper reflection of the bridal gown was her old gold taffeta model
worn with a halo hat of matching taffeta and net. Palest gold tulips, the
petals turned back to reveal darker centres, fashioned her bouquet.
......Also in honour of the affianced couple was the
after-five party given recently by Mr. and Mrs. Reginald Kirk-Owen at their
home on Rockland Avenue. [5],[6]"
Rex appeared to have worked for the Transport Department in Victoria, and was
in June 1951, the Supervisor of Streets Traffic Sign and Warning Signs.
In 1951, he and Betty moved from Victoria to Toronto, travelling by car (an MG)
via California, Mexico and Southern US, Washington etc, staying with brother
Freddy in California.
Rex worked for the Toronto Transport Company's Legal Department, living at 83
Centre Road West, Richmond Hill, Ont. for about a year, before they sailed from
Montreal, 25th October 1952, to make a new life in England, and took up
permanent residence 31 October 1952. Rex at least must have returned to Canada
as he made a customs declaration of silverware imported as baggage for private
use after arriving on HMCS Ontario at Portsmouth 29 June 1953. At that time,
his address was 22 Avonmore Road, W14.
In 1952, Rex commenced a career change and joined Gray's Inn to read for the
Bar, an occupation which carried little or no salary until qualified. Whilst
studying, he worked in the L.C.C. Engineer's Department and the Post Office. He
was involved in the planning and tendering for various 1950's road improvements
in London, such as the Cromwell Road extension in 1955. In 1957, he was still a
temporary resident engineer for the LCC at a salary of £782 pa.
He was called to the Bar during Hilary Term, 1958, and immediately went into
practice in Mr Frank Whitworth's chambers, apparently leaving the LCC employ
about August 1958 (from a diary).
Betty implied that they were both presented at Court; this was probably a
reference to going to one of the Buckingham palace Garden parties (which Alice
& Antony also went to in about 1980). They visited Rex's Aunt Jessie &
Uncle George Mason at Emmanuel College Cambridge.
They lived in London until Alice was born in October 1956, and later moved to
"Tudor Thatch", Oakhanger, (for about 2 years) and then to Ropley,
Hampshire, and, in May 1959, to Blagdon House, Keevil, Wilts, where Rex died 3
months later. They bought Blagdon House for £5250.
He was a pipe smoker.
Obituary:
From "Graya" (Gray's Inn Magazine) number 51, Easter Term 1960:
Many in Gray's Inn deeply regret the untimely death of Rex Kirk-Owen last
August. Rex was born in Calgary in 1915 and had a distinguished war record in
the 16th Canadian Scottish Regiment. He was twice wounded and took part in the
liberation of Holland. On demobilisation as a Major, he worked in the City
Engineer's Department, Victoria, and in 1951 transferred to the Toronto
Transport Company's Legal Department.
In 1952 Rex joined Gray's Inn and served in the L.C.C. Engineer's Department.
He was called to the Bar during Hilary Term, 1958, and immediately went into
practice in Mr Frank Whitworth's chambers. Rex was one whom any man would be
honoured to call a friend. He had a gay disposition, an intrepid character and
was an excellent companion. He loved his native land and had an abiding
affection for England as the spiritual home of freedom. He was at home in
London or the countryside and his widow and little daughter still live in
Wiltshire. Rex's epitaph shall be that he served Britain and Canada well - to
the best of his considerable ability. (R.E.C.J.)
From John Thompson July 98:
I have spoken to Rex's first wife. Jocelyn told me that Rex was in a field artillery
unit and was on coastal patrol here in BC until July 1944 when the unit was
sent to England. It was in England that Rex transferred to the Canadian
Scottish Regiment (CS). By my calculation by the time Rex joined the CS the
battle of Normandy was over and the battle of the Scheldt was about to begin. I
have contacted the CS here and have their regimental history en route to me
now. As well, I have my request into the Canadian archives for his service
file, as well as that of my grandfather's FKO.
Received from John Thompson, 22/10/98:
Reginald Kirk-Owen
(1) Canadian Military Records:
Schools:
Western Canada College, Calgary 1921-1926 (age 6-11) (school calendar 1924-5)
* Vernon Public High School 1926-1931
Kitsilano High School 1931-1932
North Vancouver High School 1932-1933
Western Canada College pre-engineering 1936 completed
*1929-1931 was a Trooper in the B.C. Dragoons (age 14-16) (NPAM)*
*NPAM= Non Permanent Active Militia
Attestation gives birth date 11 August 1915;
Phone number in Vernon: 12921
1936- employed for 6 months as an Engineer in training.
1936-37 worked on Vancouver Stock Exchange floor
Winnipeg Free Press October 22, 1936: Anniversary Dinner of Lions Club at Fort
Garry Hotel...guests...R Kirk Owen from Vancouver.
1936: Winnipeg Free Press November 3, 1936: Officers Mess, Fort Osbourne
Hallowe’en party, ... Messrs R Kirk Owen...
1936-38 15th Field Brigade rank: Lieutenant (NPAM)
1938-40 Job as Building Surveyor for the Vancouver School Board
21Sept39 Marries Jocelyn: Address: 1948 Boulevard North Vancouver
18Sept40 Attestation signed- joins Active Militia as a Private in the Army.
12Oct40 Transfers to Forestry unit as surveyor
12March41 Proceeds to Officer Training Centre at Gordon Head, BC passed courses
and qualified for Rank of Lieutenant in the Reserves or as a 2nd Lieutenant in
the Permanent Canadian Army.
3/6/1941: AT Mary Hill, HQ Coast Brigade – weekend pass to go to Victoria BC.
3Oct41 receives 2nd Lt. appointment.
4Oct.41 assigned to Artillery Training Centre in Halifax, Nova Scotia.
27Nov41 Qualifying courses as: Driver Class 111 and Motorcyclist class 111
24Dec41 passed courses and is assigned to 60th Battery.
24Dec41 Appointed Lieutenant
15Aug42 attached to 109th Coastal Battery
2Sept42 taken off 60th Battery
3Sept43 permanently attached to 109th Coastal Battery
11Oct43 109th is attached to Artillery School
19Jan43 Assigned to the Artillery School in Brandon, Manitoba
17Mar44 Qualified as Lieutenant in the Mobile Artillery, allocated to Royal
Canadian Field Artillery
3Apr44 leave granted two weeks prior to departing for England.
17Apr44 Reports for duty
29Apr44 departs Canada
2May44 Arrives England. Assigned to Borden Area and joins 1st Canadian
Artillery Reinforcement Unit. Takes more driving and Motorcycle courses.
22Jun44 Fractures right arm (radius) in motorcycle accident. Taken to Bramshutt
Hospital. Assigned to Garrun Convalescent Home.
1Aug44 Transferred to Roman Way Hospital
8Aug44 cast removed from right arm
14Aug44 discharged from hospital.
Oct-Nov44 Artillery training.
13Feb45 Transfers to Canadian Scottish which is part of 7th Brigade, 3rd
Canadian Division. Ships to NW Europe. (Cdn army was stationed near Nijmegan at
this time.) Unclear what was the exact date.
18Feb45 Admitted to 29th British Field Hospital, Belgium with severe influenza.
22Feb45 discharged from hospital.
Mar45 No record of injury at the time, but upon discharge in Feb. 1946, a
military inquiry is held in North Vancouver into the injury suffered near
Clive, (Cleve?) Germany in March. At the inquiry, the panel finds that RKO was
injured in the line of duty while crossing a dike near the front lines in
Germany. There are no particulars of the injury and no medical records of
treatment other than physiotherapy in the post war years. RKO signs sworn
statement that while crossing a dike near the front lines a blast from enemy
fire knocked him down and he was evacuated to a British hospital in Osterloo,
Belgium. A medical officer also filed a statement at the panel recommending
physiotherapy for the injury. (Pauline remembers RKO having very sore left leg
when he came back from the war.)
1Sep45 Promoted to acting captain, Canadian Scottish Regiment
16Nov45 Granted 10 days leave
5Dec45 Granted 6 days leave
28Dec45 Returns to Canada
12Feb46 retires from active duty. Captain rank is confirmed on the condition
that he demobilize. If he had stayed in the Army, he would have been demoted to
lieutenant. So he becomes a Captain in the Reserves (NPAM).
1Jun49 Applies for Army commission but is denied based on age.
23Aug57 released from Army reserves.
Misc Notes:
1944 - Florence (mother) contacted by War Dept. and asked for proper birth
date. She provides birth original certificate which gives birth date as June
8, 1915 (this while RKO was in Europe).
Broken arm did not displace but did not mend quickly. X-ray on 26 July 1944
shows good position but no union. Plaster re-applied. X-ray on 25 August shows
good union so cast removed.
Letter from Army 4 June, 1952 gives Rex's address as:
Box 361, 83 Centre Road, West Richmond Hill, Ontario.
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4.1 FREDERIC KIRK OWEN - 1889
AC04/01
BornBC: 16/5/1889 @ 15, Poplar Grove, Seaforth,
Lancs.
Parents: William Kirk Owen & Ellen Jane, formerly Brown.
Died: 14/4/1951, Vancouver, BC.
Memorial Service at the Chapel of Harron Bros, 122 W 6th St, North
Vancouver, Tuesday 17th April 1951 at 3pm.
Frederic was born surnamed Owen, with Kirk as a second forename: he only
Hyphenated the name later, perhaps on his arrival in Canada. Kirk as a surname
carries the implication of illegitimacy. He probably arrived on the Empress of
Britain from Liverpool to Newfoundland 1 April 1910, although the 1921 census
has him arriving in 1908.
The 1916 Alberta census has him as arriving in 1910, the same date shown for
the Dolmans, who in fact arrived in 1911. Frederick first went to Calgary, but
was at the Union Bank in Didsbury by 1913, where he must have met Florence
Dolman, they were back in Calgary in 1914. After the War, he joined the Bank of
Hamilton in Calgary, but was in Lethbridge by 1921. Lethbridge is about 200k
SSE of Calgary, Carmangay about 25 km north.
According to his daughter, Pauline, he was a bank manager until bank went bust
(there is no record of any banks going bust in the period), then worked for the
Inland revenue and finally for the Harbours Board in Vancouver. He and his
family moved to West Vancouver between the Wars.
With family at:
1891 Census, 15, Poplar Grove, Seaforth:
1901 Census, 4, Fox Cover Lane, Lower Bebington, Cheshire
1911 Census: does not appear so may well have gone to Canada by then.
1911 Census, Boissevain, Souris, Manitoba:
Frederick Kirk Owen (single, 22, DoB 5/1889, Boarder, Bank Clerk, Earning 500
for 30 hrs/wk)
1914, 2 Feb, F KO of Didsbury at the George Hotel, Calgary. Calgary
Herald 02 Feb 1914
1914, June, FKO capt of football team in Didsbury.
1916 Census, 316, 8th St W3, Calgary East All arrived 1910.
Alice Dolman (52, England, Income), Reginald (son, 21 England, rancher), Ethel
(dau, 25, England, income), Frederick Owen (27, England, Clerk), Florence Owen
(dau, 23, England, none), Reginald Owen (1, Alberta)ACi.
Other addresses: 464, E 15th St, North Van. and 1505 Grand
Boulevard, North Vancouver.
1919, 15 May, Calgary Herald: reference to FKO as employee of Bank of Hamilton
at its Calgary Branch.
1921 Census, No 2, Bow River, Palmer St Alberta:
Kirk Owen (32, Bank Manager, arr 1908), Florence (29, arr 1911, Rex (6), Peter
(2)
1926: Kirk Owen appears in Vernon News, 11 Nov 1926, in concert and in many
subsequently entries.
First North Shore (Vancouver) entry was 1933, mostly of Mrs F social life.
Military Service Attestation (obtained by John Thompson, 1998)
FKO's attestation is dated 24 Nov 1914. Next of kin is given as William K. Owen
of Rockferry, Cheshire, England. Birth-date is given as 16 May 1889. Trade is
"banker". Wife is identified as Florence Owen of 105, 14th Avenue,
Calgary, Alberta. FKO stated that he had some military experience in the Field
Artillery – Howitzer Brigade.
Medical Details:
Height 5'8" Chest 36" expanded. Weight 140 lbs. Dark complexion,
brown eyes, dark brown hair. Scar on right elbow
Religious denomination: C of E.
Enlistment date was 16 Nov 1914. He joined the 31st Battalion of Canadian
Expeditionary Force. This would be the second contingent, the first having
shipped out of Quebec about this same time. The second contingent was raised
after the early reversals in Europe for the allies as it was now becoming
apparent that "home by Christmas" was now a bitter memory.
The 31st trained and paraded around Calgary until May 1915, when
it boarded trains bound for Quebec City on the 11t. After arrival they
billeted for a few days and then boarded ships for England starting on the
17th. Ships used included Cunard's Carpathia. FKO's records indicate he
embarked on the 29th of May and arrived in England in the first week of June.
The 31st went to Dibgate Camp in Kent, which was 4 miles west of Shorncliffe.
The summer was spent with more training and marching around the English
countryside. Marches included visits to Lydd and Otterpool. On the 15th
September they moved to Southampton and there embarked on ships for the journey
to France. They arrived in Boulogne beginning on the 17th, FKO arrived on the
18th. The train took them to St. Omer where they then continued on foot to the
front. They joined the line on the 30th of September 1915 at Weexton Farm near
St. Sylvester Chappelle. The 31st saw continuous action through the war.
Battle credits include St. Eloi, Hooge, Courcellette, Vimy, Fresnoy. I will get
more details now that I know the precise battalion. The system at that time was
to rotate troops into the front lines on 1-2 week rotations. Officers were
often left out of battle so that replacement troops could be rebuilt around
experienced officers so that the battalion could be back up to strength and led
by some one with experience in battle. Early on in the war it was found that
officers had twice the casualty rates as the other ranks with the result that
after particularly hard fighting the officers were in shorter supply.
FKO was promoted to Corporal 22 September 1916. On 10 April 1917 he was taken
out of the line and sent back to Bramshott, England for Officer's training. On
17 July 1917 he was posted to the 21st Reserve Battalion as a Lieutenant. On 24
August 1917 he was admitted to Canadian Military Hospital in England and placed
on the Seriously Ill list. Apparently an abscess developed on his neck which
became very serious as it penetrated the facsia of his neck muscles. He had
very high temperature for many days and was not taken off the seriously ill
list until 13 September. He was invalided home to Canada on 29 November, 1917
on the Araguya. Total service was 3 years, 88 days. He was not medically fit.
According to his daughter-in-law, Elizabeth Chadwick, FKO was in Royal
Strathcona Regt in 1st War and was wounded in the spine. She also thought that
FKO may have gone to Ottawa as an aid to Princess Alice.
A family called Twiston-Davis & the Browns helped FKO when first in Canada
(a Twiston-Davis married Aunt Emmy (Brown - Hannah??), who married, 2nd, Mr
Englehart, son of the famous miniaturist (see separate file on the Brown
family).
In later life, he was referred to as "Major" Kirk-Owen - when this
promotion occurred is not known (4/2000).
From a photograph of him taken at a desk, he served in some military capacity
in the second war (the date on a calendar seems to be 1940). He was wearing
Major's crowns.
1919: Lethbridge Herald November 21, 1919, F Kirk Owen Commissioner, Carmangay.
1920: Lethbridge Herald September 28, 1920, Carmangay Items: Mrs Kirk Owen, wife
of the manager of the Bank of Hamilton, is spending a holiday up at Calgary.
1921: Lethbridge Herald May 2, 1921: Carmangay, Apr 30. – The Oddfellows of Little
Bow Lodge .. Church Parade; Mr Kirk Owen sang “Have ye had a kindness above?
Pass it on”.
Also same issue: Mrs Dolman left this week for Calgary after visiting her
daughter, Mrs F Kirk Owen in Carmangay.
1921: Lethbridge Herald February 4, 1921: Carmangay Branch of the Great War
Veterans Association... A vote of thanks to the retiring president, Mr F Kirk
Owen, local manager of the Bank of Hamilton...
1921: Lethbridge Herald August 25, 1921: Carmangay, Aug 23... A daughter is
born to Mr & Mrs F Kirk Owen on Saturday August 20. Mr Owen is local
manager of the Bank of Hamilton. [Mary KO]
Passenger list showing Florence coming to Canada with Alice and Ethel:
Name: Florence Dolman, Age: 19, Date of Arrival: 26 Oct 1911, Vessel: Empress
of Britain, Port of Arrival: Montreal, Quebec, Port of Departure: Liverpool,
England
Destination: Didsbury, Alberta.
Married: Florence Dolman (probably shortly) before November 1914, in Calgary
(the index only gives the year, 1914). They probably met in Calgary, where it
seems probable that Florence and her mother had emigrated to in 1910.
See Dolman Pages
IssueEAC/JT:
1/1. Reginald Kirk-Owen.
Born Calgary 1915,
1/2. Ernest Peter Kirk-Owen, born 17/8/1918, Calgary, died 29/8/1994, Vancou.
1944: Winnipeg Free Press August
3, 1944, Aden, club for officers who have never seen their children (born after
they left for overseas)...Credit for the idea goes to FO Pete Kirk Owen,
Vancouver, who proudly exhibited pictures of his daughter, Judy Lee....
Winnipeg Free Press September 11, 1945: Peter Kirk-Owen & Norman Postle
ushers the wedding of John Stronach & Joan Phillips in Vancouver with Mrs
EP Kirk-Owen matron of honour.
Married: March 1941, Maida Joyce Postle b. 1/3/1919, daughter of Harry Walter
Postle. Maida died 26/9/2013, Vancouver.
Issue:
2/1. Judy Lee Kirk-Owen, b 1943. Supplied the following:
Trained as teacher, and moved in
1985 to be sales director of company making cranes and specialist lifting gear
in North Vancouver. Moved to Vancouver Island, 2003.
Married: Gregory David Stibbard, 1961, divorced.
Both sons and son-in-law engineers (1/2002) and daughter computer graphics
designer. Judy died 2/1/2004.
KIRK-OWEN — Judy, born July 27, 1943. In loving memory of our Mom, who passed
away on January 2, 2004 after her courageous fight with cancer.
Judy is predeceased by her father, Peter Kirk-Owen. Survived by her mother,
Maida Kirk-Owen, sister, Susan Webb Parkes (Jim), brother, Peter Kirk-Owen
(Judy), children Jim Stibbard (Laurie), Jeff Stibbard (Brenda), Lianne Wessner
(Emil) and her very much
loved grandchildren Amanda, Mathew, Clinton, Cody, Kai and baby.
Judy’s proudest achievements in life were her children and grandchildren. She
will be forever remembered for her great big generous loving heart, her
unrelenting compassion, and generosity. Judy was passionate of the west coast
lifestyle, culture and arts, which, was very much exemplified in her collection
of art and creative surrounds. Her memory will continue to live on through the
many beautiful quilts she made for her family and friends. All memories
cherished, and all memories unique, Judy will be sadly missed by all her family
and many friends.
The family would like to thank Dr. Klimo and Sandy Maude of the Lions Gate
Cancer Clinic for all their care and support. A very special thank you to our
Auntie Sue for the compassionate and loving care she gave to our mom in her
last months of life. ^
A Memorial Service will be held January 10, 2004 at 11:30 a.m. at St. Stephen s
Anglican Church, 885- 22nd Street, West Vancouver. Bring your quilts. Flowers
gratefully declined, if desired, donations can be made to the Chemo Therapy
Clinic at Lions Gate Hospital or the Canadian Diabetes Association. (The Vancouver Sun Wed Jan 7 2004)
Issue:
3/1. Gregory James (Jim) Stibbard b.1962
Res Calgary, Alberta, 1/2002.
Married: Laurie Ann McKinny, 17/5/1987.
Issue:
4/1. Amanda Lee Stibbard, b. 2/11/1987
4/2. Matthew James Stibbard, b. 8/6/1991
3/2. Jeffery David Stibbard, b.
1965.
Graduated from Montana University
in Mining Engineering.
Res Fort McMurray, Alberta, 1/2002, formerly of Yellowknife.
Married: Brenda May Youngberg, 22/8/1987.
Issue:
4/1. Clinton James Stibbard, b. 6/1992.
4/2. Cody Wyatt Stibbard, b. 7/11/1994.
3/3. Lianne Stibbard, b. 1969.
Married: Emil Bo Per Wessner,
17/7/1999, Lund, Sweden.
Met in Australia, res Sweden, 3/2001, returned Canada, 12/2001, to live
Calgary.
Issue:
4/1. Kai Emil Per Wessner, b. 10/11/2000, Sweden.
4/2. Åsa Sofia Judyli Wessner, b. 4/2/2004, Canada.
2/2. Susan Wendie Kirk-Owen, b.
1946.
Married, 1969, 1st: Russ Webb,
who died 1990.
"Webb-Kirk-Owen
St. Stephen's Church, West
Vancouver, was the setting for a pretty pink and white wedding June 27, when
Susan Wendie Kirk-0wen became the bride of Russell Geoffrey Webb, son of Mrs.
Webb and the late Mr. Geoffreyv V Webb. Rev. C F Wilkins officiated.
The bride, daughter of Mr. and Mrs. E. Peter Kirk-Owen, wore a wedding ensemble
of white crystal peau and guipure lace, with matching coat entrain, a pill box
held her bouffant veil and she carried a bouquet of white gardenias and
stephanotis.
The bride was attended by Mrs. Richard Still, Mrs. Vernon Lieb and Mrs. Andrew
Harper, they wore gowns of candy pink cotton ottoman and carried baskets of
white daisies and pink baby's breath.
Jeffrey Stibbard, nephew of the bride, acted as ring bearer,
John Strugnell was best man and ushers were Peter Siddons and Robert Vernon.
Special usher was the bride's nephew Jimmy Stibbard. The soloist Mr. Harry
Mossfield sang, “The Wedding Prayer.” At the reception at the Capilano Golf and
Country Club, Mr. Jack Marett proposed the bridal toast." (The Vancouver Sun Sat Jul 19 1969)
WEBB — Russell G. (Russ). Good-bye our special husband, Dad son brother, uncle
and friend to so many. You are always in our hearts. Russ passed away suddenly
of a heart attack on April 26, 1990, He leaves behind his loving wife Susan;
his 2 wonderful children Andrea and Michael; his mother, Christine; his mother
and father-in-law Maida and Peter Kirk-Owen; brother- in-law and sister-in-law
Peter and Judy Kirk-Owen and sister- in-law Judy Stibbard. Predeceased by his
father Geoff Webb. Funeral Service will be held at 2 pm Tuesday May 1 at St.
Stephen’s Anglician Church, 885 22nd St. West Vancouver with Rev. H. McSherry
officiating. Hollyburn Funeral Home in care of arrangements. Russ found the joy
of life, everything he gave was based on love.
(The Vancouver Sun Mon Apr 30 1990)
Issue:
3/1. Andrea Webb, b. 1976.
3/2. Michael Webb, b. 1979, rugby player, in Canadian team Nov 2006.
Married 2nd: Jim Parkes.
2/3. Peter
Michael Kirk-Owen, b.27/10/1950, Vancouver General Hospital.
When born, parents were at 2602,
Nelson, West Vancouver[7].
Pacific Refractories Ltd is a privately held company in Burnaby, BC and is a
Single Location business. President, 10/2019.
Issue:
3/1. Alison Kirk-Owen, b.1985.
3/2. Lindsay Kirk-Owen, b.1987.
1/3. Mary Kirk-Owen, born 23/8/1921, Carmangay.
Married: Kenneth Maud b. 1920.
Issue:
2/1. Kenneth F. Maud b. 20/5/1943.
Married: Sandra Russell, dau of
Mr & Mrs A Russell of North Vancouver b. 1943. Married at North Lonsdale
United Church.
Issue:
3/1. Douglas Maud, b. 1968.
3/2. Andrea Maud, b. 1969.
3/3. Kenneth Maud, b. 1972.
2/2. Lyn Maud b. 22/1/1946,
Vancouver.
Married: James McKay, b. 1938
Issue:
3/1. James McKay, b. 1965,
Married: Karen
Issue:
4/1. Katelin McKay, b. 1991.
3/2. Patricia McKay, b. 1967.
3/3. Lisa McKay, b. 1969 (adopted).
3/4. Peter McKay, b.1970 (adopted).
2/3. Anne Maud, b. 1951.
Married: Richard
Issue:
3/1. Teresa, b. 1974.
Married: Thomas
Issue:
4/1. Christopher
3/2. Anita, b. 1976.
1/4. Helen (Nell) Marjorie Kirk-Owen, b. 14/7/1926, Vernon,
BC.
(Marjorie Brown's goddaughter),
died 2005.
Married: Gordon Lee Tunnicliffe (a Banker, b.1920, died 2001)
Newspaper 10/8/1949: "North Shore Newlyweds Go To Victoria on Honeymoon:
Summertime’s loveliest colours were combined in the attractive wedding
performed in St. Agnes’ Church in North Vancouver when Helen Marjorie, second
daughter of Major and Mrs. Frederick Kirk-Owen became the bride of Gordon Lee
Tunnicliffe, son of Mr. G. Tunnicliffe of Saskatoon and the late Mrs.
Tunnicliffe.
The bride wore a gown of delicate
white lace over satin cut en train Her headdress of seed pearls held her
full-length net veil which had been worn by her paternal grandmother Her
bouquet was of heather and red roses and her only ornament was a pearl
necklace, gift of the groom.
She was attended by her two
sisters, Mrs. Kenneth Maude as matron of honor and Miss Pauline Kirk Owen as
bridesmaid They wore matching gowns of yellow and pink eyelet embroidery over
taffeta and carried colonial bouquets of mauve and white sweet peas Circlets of
the same flowers were worn in their hair. Mr Clive McConnon of Vancouver was
best-man and ushers were Mr F P Kirk Owen and Mr K. S Maude, brother and
brother-in-law of the bride The reception was held at the home of the Kenneth
Maudes where the same floral motif of red roses and white gladioli as in the
church was used. The couple went to Victoria on their honeymoon, and for travel
the bride wore a navy blue tailored suit with pink accents The couple will make
their home in Vancouver."
Issue:
2/1. Jane Tunnicliff, b.9/11/1954 (email 6/07)[8].
Married: Robert Brotzel.
Issue:
3/1. Jane Brotzel, b.1984.
3/2. Patricia Brotzel, b.1987.
2/2. Ross Tunnicliffe, b. 8/7/1960.
(email Jan 2007)[9]
1/5. Pauline Kirk-Owen, (b 4/2/1929, died October 2013).
Married: Norman Thompson (b. 4/10/1926)
Issue:
2/1. Norman Frederic Thompson, b. 11/11/1953
Married: Randi Victoria Smith.
b. 21/2/1954.
Issue:
3/1. Victoria Lee Thompson, b. 17/11/1982.
Married Lorne Bilinski, Hawaii,
2006. At school in Calgary 2000-04, moved West Van 2004 to work in the family
business.
4/1. Nicholas William Frederic Bilinski, b 22/11/2013.
3/2. Alexandra Sara Thompson, b.
22/7/1986.
3/3. Norman Randal Thompson, b. 6/1/1989.
2/2. John Paul Thompson, b.
9/6/1956.
Died: 3/7/2020 of Cancer.
Married: Diane Kindre b.1953.
Issue by Diane:
3/1. Jessica Diane Thompson, b. 13/1/1986.
Issue by Danielle Katerberg
3/2. Jack Thompson, b abt 2008
3/3. Katie Thompspn, b abt 2011.
2/3. Reginald (Rex) William
Thompson, b. 31/7/1962.
Married: Sharon Jawoski, b.
6/7/1964.
Issue:
3/1. Georgia Brookes Thompson, b. 10/1993.
3/2. Sophia Pauline Thompson, b. 16/11/1995.
3/3. Natalie Grace Thompson, b. 2/4/1997.
FKO Injury (Calgary Herald Thu May 15 1919)
PAY FOR 31st DAY OF RETURN
Permission has been granted Lieut. F. Kirk Owen, now an
employe of the Bank of Hamilton at its Calgary branch, by Brigadier-General
McDonald, G.O.C. of the district, to pay off the 31st Battalion when
demobilized at the armories the day of its return.
Lieut. Owen went overseas with the 31st Battalion in 1914,
and served in France for two years, being commissioned in the field. While
taking a gunnery course at Aldershot, he was taken ill, and remained in
hospital for nearly 12 months, during which time many doctors were unable to
definitely diagnose his case. It was finally concluded that a minute piece of
shrapnel had lodged against the spinal column, setting up a partial paralysis
of the neck and shoulders. Lieut. Owen was ultimately invalided to Canada, and
discharged from the army in August of last year.
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5.1
WILLIAM KIRK OWEN - 1850
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Know as "Kirk" in family.
Little is known of William Kirk Owen, except that he followed his father into
the Timber business, to start with, at least, as a clerk, living in the
Liverpool area. He was in the timber trade in 1891, and probably worked for his
uncle, Peter Owen, a partner in the timber brokers, Farnworth & Jardine.
Peter Owen was active in the business at least until 1893, and the business
still existed in 1939.
He was reputed to be a ner-do-well by his grand-daughter, Pauline (Kirk-Owen)
Thompson. This is confirmed by Daphne Lowe (he drank!).
He met his wife to be, Jeannie Brown, at Capenhurst Manor where she was
governess to his cousins children (this must have been the family of William's
uncle Peter, see below).
BornBC: at 36, West Spekefield Cottages, West Derby, 8/7/1850.
Ch: St Stephens, West Derby, 19/2/1852, at Edgvale, Henry a ClerkPR.
Father: Henry Owen, Book Keeper, & Elizabeth (Quilliam).
Diedwill: 11 May 1926, 10 Potters Cottages, Mariner's Homes,
Wallasey.
Mariner’s Home.
Probate:
OWEN William of 10 Potters-cottages Mariners Homes Wallasey Cheshire died 11
May 1926 Administration Liverpool 16 August to Ellen Owen widow. Effects £217
7s. 3d.
1851 Census, Spekefield Cottages, W Derby:
Parents, siblings and William K age 10 mths.
1861 Census, 57, Caple St, Liverpool, aged 10 with family.
1871 Census, 10, Bank Rd, Bootle, with family
1881 Census: with parents @ 79, Sea View, Bootle, a Commercial Clerk, Timber.
1888 @ Marriage: 38, Bachelor, a Clerk of 7, Poplar Grove, Seaforth.
1889 birth of Frederick: Broker's Clerk of 15, Poplar Grove, Seaforth.
1890: Gore's, 15, poplar Grove, book-keeper.
1890: 15 Poplar Grove, father’s death
1891 Census, 15, Poplar Grove, Seaforth:
William K (40, Timber Broker's Clerk, Liverpool), Ellen J (31, Chester), Frederick
(2, Seaforth), Walter (10 mths, Seaforth).
1894, 1895: Gore's, 15 Poplar Grove, book-keeper.
1901 Census, 4, Fox Cover Lane, Lower Bebington, Cheshire:
William K. Owen (Hd, 50, Clerk, Commercial, Liverpool), Ellen J. (41, Chester),
Frederick K. (11, Seaforth), Jessie M. (7, Seaforth).
1911 Census, Garthowen, Alpha Drive Rock Ferr, Tranmere:
William Owen (Hd, 60, Mar 22 yrs, Clerk in Timber Broker’s Office, Worker,
Liverpool), Jeannie (wf, 51, Mar 22 yrs, ch B alive 4, living 2, died 2,
Chester), Jessie (dau 17, single, school, Seaforth)
1914: November, of "Garthowen", Alpha Drive, Rockferry, Cheshire. (FKO
Military records)
Married (M/C): Ellen Jane Brown, 12/7/1888 at St Oswalds Parish Church, Chester,
Marriage Witnesses: Fred G. Brown & Minnie L Brown (Ellen's brother &
sister).
On the 12th inst, at St Oswald’s, in this city, ... William Kirk
Owen of Poplar Grove, Seaforth to Ellen Jeanie, eldest surviving daughter of
G.J. Helmsley Brown of Chester[10].
ELLEN
JANE BROWN - 1859
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The mother of Frederic Kirk Owen
BornBC: 25/10/1859 @ Ash Grove, Wrexham Rd, Chester.
Parents: George John Helmsley Brown, Master Watch Maker. Mary Kitchen B.
(formerly Jones).
Died7. 18/12/1941, of the Croft, Biddenham, Bedfordshire, formerly
of 23 Alpha Drive, Rockferry, Chester.
Will: left all to daughter Jessie Mary Mason, also as executrix. (gross
£1504-18-1, net personal 1473-15-7) who subsequently made a legacy to Alice
(K-O) Maitland.
Ref DL: Married William Owen. Worked as a governess at Owen's house, Capenhurst
Manor. William was a cousin of her employers; he was a poor relation and drank.
They lived at Rockferry. Known as "Jeanne".
These Owens must have been William's uncle, Peter and/or his children.
1861 Census: @ Ash Grove, Chester, with family.
1871 Census: @ 5, Ash Grove, Chester with family.
1881 Census: @ 18, St Martin-in-the-Field, Chester with parents, a governess.
1888, @ marriage: 28, spinster of 43 Bouverie St, Chester.
1891 Census, at 15, Poplar Grove, Seaforth, see William KO.
Issue of William & Ellen (Brown) Owen:
1/1. Frederic Kirk Owen (hyphenated later!)(16/5/1889),
1/2. Walter Helmsley Owen (1890),
died when Miss Owen about 3 years
old ref Sylvia T. Census 1911: shows 2 live children and 2 dead. D Index
Liverpool 8b 109 Q2 1893
1/3. Herbert Peter Owen (from RK-O papers).
D. Index Wirral 8a 262 Q3 1896 b
abt 1892
1/4. Jessie Mary Owen (1894).
Married: George Mason, a fellow
of Emmanuel College, Cambridge.
"Aunt Jessie" died abt 1990, left Alice (K-O) Maitland a legacy of
about £18000. Memories of Jessie's housekeeper, Sylvia Trollope, were that her
father was in business in Liverpool and her grandfather was in the timber
trade; her surviving brother went to Canada as a young man and hyphenated the
name Kirk-Owen. No Issue.
George was at Emmanuel about 1903, rowed for the college 8.
1939: The Croft, Main St, Bedford:
George H Mason, b 18/6/1884 (schoolmaster, maths dept) Jessie H (18/6/1894).
Jessie died in Bedford, 17/4/1982 £169352.
George Haworth Mason died 9/9/1958, of Bedford, £23444/8s to Jessie Mary.
George served in the Royal Warwickshire’s in WW1. A schoolmaster in his will.
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6.1 HENRY
OWEN - 1816
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Born: Speke (census)
Ch: 22/9/1816PR @ St Peter, Liverpool.
(full age '42, C51: 33).
Died 16/12/1890[11],
7 Poplar Grove, Seaforth, 74, Merchant’s Clerk, Carcinoma, WR Owen present of
15 Poplar Grove. No Will.
Parents: Henry & Alice Quilliam, a miller, of Islington, Liverpool.
Henry Owen was a book keeper/clerk during his working life, in the timber
trade at least for part of his career. He most probably worked for/with his
brother, Peter Owen, a partner in the timber brokers, Farnworth & Jardine.
Peter Owen was active in the business at least until 1893, and the business
still existed in 1939, see below for more on Peter Owen.
Like many of the period, he moved around frequently, living in Upper
Stanhope St, Toxteth when he was married, and later in Caple St, Tay St,
Liverpool, and Berry St, Bootle. By 1888, he had moved to Seaforth, when he had
become a "gentleman".
No will found 1881-1917.
1841 Census: 13, Great Nelson St, with family, a book keeper aged 20.
1841: Henry jnr, a book keeper, Gt Nelson St., Gores.
1842: Marriage: full age, book-keeper of Upper Stanhope St. Liverpool.
1843, Emily birth, Stanhope St, book-keeper.
1843: at 27 Upper Stanhope St – Gores.
Upper Stanhope St is in Toxteth
Park and was probably a respectable area at this time; in 1999, the area is very
rundown, but still has some what were handsome houses.
Coincidentally or not, Mrs JGH Owen was resident in 9, Stanhope St, 1841, 42,
45.
1845 & 7: 7, Moira St (Hugh Owen owned house in Moira
St, 1837) – Gores
also as Elector 1845.
1845: Henry G’s birth, Moira St book-keeper.
1847: Sarah’s birth, ditto.
1849: Mary’s birth, Bridge St, book-keeper.
1849: 4, Bridge St. Gores
1847: Henry Owen at 4, Summer St Toxteth. Maybe him?
1850/1 Electors: house @ 54, Crown St
house & shop @ 2, Ashton St.
1850: William’s birth, West Derby, Spekefield Cottages, book-keeper..
1851 Census, Spekefield Cottages: all born Speke.
Henry (33, Timber Broker's
Clerk), Elizabeth (29), Henry G. (6), Sarah A. (4), Mary A. (2), William (10m).
1852: William ch, Edgvale, West Derby, Clerk (Spekefield in
Edgvale).
1861 Census: 57 Caple St. (all born Liverpool)
Henry (44, Timber Merchants
Clerk), Elizabeth (38), Emily (17, schoolmistress), Mary Agnes (12, scholar),
William Kirk (10, scholar), Bertha Elizabeth (4), Henry Peter (2).
1862: a Book keeper of 57, Caple St.
1864: Peter ch Egerton St, Toxteth, book-keeper.
1867: a Book keeper of 9, Tay St, Toxteth.
1868: Alice ch 49, Bowring St, Toxteth, book-keeper.
1871: a Book keeper of 74, Berry St, Bootle,
1873: a Book keeper of 14, Bank St, Bootle.
1873: Paul’s ch, 14, Bank St, Bootle, manager.
1871 Census, 14 Bank Rd, Bootle:
Henry (54, Commercial Traveller)
William Kirk (20, Commercial Traveller), Bertha Elizabeth (14, scholar), Henry
Peter (12) Paul Geoffrey (6).
1880: Bertha’s marriage, gentleman Seaview Rd.
1881 Census: 79, Sea View, Bootle.
Henry Owen (64, Commercial Clerk,
Timber, Liverpool), Elizabeth (58, Liverpool), William K. (30, Commercial
Clerk, Timber, Liverpool). Alice Helen (19, Liverpool).
1888: marriage of William: "Gentleman" of 7,
Poplar Grove, Seaforth.
1890: Gore's: 7, Poplar Grove, bookkeeper.
1891: Census - daughter Alice Ellen at 7 Poplar Grove.
1901: no Alice.
Married: 3/7/1842MC @ St Bride's Liverpool full age, he a book-keeper
of Upper Stanhope St. Liverpool. She, full age, spinster of Gt. Charlotte St, Liverpool,
father William, a cooper.
Witnesses: Peter & Alice Owen (brother & mother):-
ELIZABETH
QUILLIAM - 1823
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Born: ref Census'51 1821-3, Speke.
Christened: St Peter's Liverpool, 22/6/1823 (PR)
Parents: William & Sarah, a cooper of Lawton St.
Died: Prob 1887Q2, West Derby aged 63. There are several others in the index,
but this is the best fit.
Elizabeth's line has required some deductions, but the combination of her
father's trade in her marriage certificate and on both baptism entries make the
sequence from William the cooper, his will and his wife Sarah correct. The 1841
census entry for Gt Charlotte St would match William and Sarah being
Elizabeth's parents, more investigation is required (8/2000).
Death records for St Peter's & St Nicholas show nothing for Elizabeth
Quilliam, but there are a number of other churches in the area where the first
one could have been buried.
1841 Census, Gt Charlotte St, show Elizabeth with most of her siblings soon
before her marriage: William Q (18, Gardener), Elizabeth (17), James (16), John
(14, Engineer's Apprentice), Richard (12).
1842, marriage: full age, spinster of Gt Charlotte St, Liverpool.
1851 Census, Spekefield Cottages: all born Speke. Henry (33, Timber Broker's
Clerk), Elizabeth (29), Henry G. (6), Sarah A. (4), Mary A.(2), William (10m).
Issue of Henry Owen & Elizabeth Quilliam:-
The ages derived from census’s are often much older than what seems to be the
correct individual at baptism. They must have been baptised into the
established church late.
1/1. Emily Owen, ch 6/5/1843, Upper Stanhope St, book-keeper, St Marks,
with parents in 1861, with
grandmother Alice in 1851.
Marriage, 28/10/1865, St John’s Toxteth: George David Neame, 22, Book-keeper,
56 Harlow St, father George David Neame, mariner – Emily Owen, 22 spinster, 80
Harlow St, Henry Owen, book-keeper.
1871 Census, 49, Bowing St, S Toxteth:
George (27, Clerk Ship building, Dover), Emily (27)
Maria T (dau, 2, Liverpool), Son (4 days, Liverpool), Maria Trevett (mother,
48, Dover), Mary Agnes Owen (S-in-L) 22.
1881 Census, 23, Moss Green, Egerton, Birkenhead:
George D Neame (37, Cashier at Ship Builder, Dover), Emily (37, Liverpool),
Maria (12, scholar, Liverpool), Stanley (7, scholar, Liverpool), Charles O (3,
scholar, Tranmere).
1891 Census, 23, Moss Green, Tranmere:
George (47, Cashier at Ship builder, Dover), Emily (47), Stanley (17, Provision
merchant apprentice, Liverpool), Charles (13, scholar).
1901: not found.
1911 Census, 23, Moss Grove, Preston:
widow, 67, 45 year since marriage, 6 children born alive, 1 still living.
2/1. Maria T, b abt 1869
2/2. Son B abt 1871
2/3. Stanley b abt 1874
2/4. Charles b abt 1878
1/2. Henry G. Owen, born and ch 3/1/1845 St Peter’s Liverpool,
of Moira Street, book-keeper.
Henry Gouldsmith, son of Henry Owen, died 23/11/1851, aged 7 years and 10
months[12].
1/3. Sarah Alice Owen, ch, St Peter’s 18/1/1847, Moira St,
book-keeper.
1911: Sarah Alice’s
Abrahams, widow 62, 15 Battenburg St, Kensington, Liverpool.
1891 Census: 14 Price Rupert St, Everton, all b Liverpool.
Sarah Alice Abrahams (wid, 42, Office Cleaner), Alice (dau, 13, shop
assistant), Elizabeth (10, scholar), Lily (6, scholar).
1901 Census, 59 Hall Lane, West Derby, all b Liverpool:
Sarah Alice A (wid, 52, Office Cleaner), Alice (23, OC), Elizabeth (20, OC),
Lily (16, OC)
1881 Census, 173, 16, Western street? Everton:
James Abrahams (30, Boiler maker, Birkenhead), Alice (32, Toxteth), Henrietta E
Mullier (dau 14, Confectioner Apprentice, Toxteth), Alice (dau, 3 Toxteth),
Elizabeth (3 mths, Toxteth).
1/4. Mary Agnes Owen Ch St Saviour, 16/11/1849, 4 Bridson (Bridge)
Street, book-keeper.
1871 with sister Emily.
1881 with uncle Peter
1891 with uncle Peter
1901 housekeeper for Uncle Peter.
1/5. William Kirk Owen (8/7/1850).
1/6. Bertha Elizabeth Owen (1857).
Not found on PR. Bertha Eleanor
at marriage.
Elizabeth Owen, of Henry & Elizabeth, ch 1/12/1862, LiverpoolFMPt.
Marriage at St John’s Bootle, 9/10/1880:
William Davies Skinner, age 23, Bachelor, collector, of 61 Clevedon St, Toxteth
park, father William, a contractor & Bertha Eleanor Owen, 24, spinster, of
Sea View Rd, father Henry, gentleman. Peter & Alice Helen witnesses. All
signed.
Census 1881, Wavertree. Lodging. William Water rate collector.
Census 1891, 1 Sandown Rd, Seaforth:
William D Skinner (hd, 33, collector, Liverpool), Bertha E (wife, 34,
Liverpool), Alice E (dau, 9, scholar, Seaforth), William G (son, 7, scholar,
Toxteth).
Census 1901, Rainhill (Lunatic) Asylum:
BE Skinner, 44, housewife, Liverpool.
Halewood Rd, Much Woolton:
William D (43, collector of water rates, Somerset, Tin Magna), Alice E (19,
Seaforth), Susan E (9 Seaforth), Charles (4, Seaforth).
1911: Bertha still at Rainhill – “lunatic 41” – this may be to do with the rate
of charge.
Died 7/2/1919, bur Toxteth Park CemeteryFAG.
2/1. Alice E Skinner, b abt 1882
2/2. William G. Skinner, b abt 1884
2/3. Susan E Skinner, b abt 1892
2/4. Charles Skinner, b abt 1897.
1/7. Hew or Henry Peter Owen (71 Census has him Hew Peter b.
1859).
Henry Peter Owen, ch 25/5/1864,
Holy Trinity, Toxteth, Egerton St? Book-keeper.
Not found on census after 1871, so may have died in the 1870’s.
1/8. Alice Helen Owen (1862).
Alice Ellen Owen, ch 9/8/1868, of
Henry & Elizabeth, book-keeper of 49 Bowring St, Holy Trinity, Toxteth
Park.
1891 Census, 7 Poplar Grove:
Alice Ellen Owen (29, Living on Own Means): nb not listed as head.
Ellen Alice Owen died 1895Q3 Llanwrwst, Denbighshire – possible, but not very
likely.
1/9. Paul Geoffrey Owen abt 1865, not found on PR.
Ch 28/12/1873, Bootle St John,
Walton on the Hill, 14 Bank Rd, Bootle, manager.
1881 with Uncle Peter.
1871 with parents.
1881 with uncle Peter.
6.2
GEORGE JOHN HEMSLEY BROWN
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The father of Ellen Brown, father-in-law of William K Owen.
Born: 1832 in Macclesfield (ref cen51 & Mar cert – IGI nil).
30/10/1831, from his tombstone.
Parents: Elisha & Martha Brown.
Died9wtd: 30/7/1909.
Probate:
BROWN George John Hemsley of Lynwood Ash Grove Chester died 30 July 1909 in a tramcar
at Chester Probate Chester 15 September to William Henry Brown flour salesman
and William Leonard Davies tobacco manufacturer.
Effects £6412 13s. 6d.
George Brown followed his father and was a watchmaker and later silversmith in
Chester; in 5/2000 the firm of GJH Brown & Son Ltd, diamond merchants, watchmakers,
jewellers and silversmiths existed at The Cross, 2 Eastgate Row. Established
1848 (thus name of business, GJH Brown, does not reflect original founder: GJHB
would have been 14 at the time! Must have been Elisha who founded it). The
business close in 2001.
Ref Daphne Lowe: started the business in Bridge St June 1860.
Later moved to Eastgate Row. He was eventually bought out of business by FG
Brown when he started spending more time at Queen St Chapel than he did in the
shop. GJHB died early one morning running for the horse drawn tram at Overleigh
corner while living at 5 Ash Grove.
1851 Census, 66 Mid Crane St, Chester:
Age 19, Watchmaker with parents.
1859 @ birth of Ellen: @ Ash Grove, Wrexham Rd, Chester, Master Watch Maker.
1861 Census, Ash Grove, Chester:
George (29, Watchmaker, Macclesfield), Mary K (29, Chester), William H (4,
Chester), Sophie J (3, Chester), Ellen J (1, Chester), Ellen Jones (mother in
law, 60, Liverpool).
1871 Census, 5, Ash Grove, Chester:
George (39, Watchmaker, Macclesfield), Mary (34, Langley, Essex) William H (14,
Chester), Jessie (13, Chester), Ellen J (12, Chester), Frederick G. (9,
Chester), Sophie (3, Chester), Hannah (1, Chester).
1881 Census: 18, St Martin-in-the-Field, Chester
George JH Brown (49, Master Jeweller, Macclesfield), Mary J. (44, Essex,
Langley), All born Chester: William H. (24, Corn Merchant Asst), Frederick G.
(19, Jeweller), Jessica (23, Governess), Ellen J. (21, Governess), Gechie L
(13), Minnie L (11), Ada G (9), Herbert E (7), Eddie R. (5), P??? (son 4).
1888, Marriage of Ellen: Jeweller of 43, Bouverie St, Chester.
1891: not at Bouverie St.
1901 Census, 5, Ash Grove, Chester:
George JH (69, Goldsmith, Macclesfield), Mary S (64, Hants, Anstey), Percy J
(24, Chemist, Chester), Leonora (33, Chester),
EAV 1/12/93: Brown's of Chester (jewellers):
EAV's Note: Copy of an inscription? Major Robert Johnson Houghton (?):
Master of the Wirral Hunt 33 yrs Mosty Hall, Chester 8/11/37, Phillip Stevenson,
presented on behalf of Wirral Harriers.
Canadian Ontario connection - Gail (Harrington) Cardwell, 248 Woodmount Place,
Newmarket, Ont L3Y 1R4
Married 1st[13]:
Mary Jones, 8/8/1854 @ The Independent Chapel, Queen St, Chester[14],
He was a bachelor, silver smith, aged 22 of Crane St, Chester. Father: Elisha, Watch
Maker and she, was, 22, Spinster, Saltney, Chester, Father John (Deceased), a
Baker
Witnesses: Paul Price jnr, William Henry Evans, Rachel Jones J Jones.
MARY KITCHEN JONES
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Born: Chester, 24/9/1831, Crane St (Chester?)
Ch: 6/5/1832, Chester, Holy TrinityFMPPR
Parents: John & Jane Jones (ref M/C & Census)
Perhaps called "Kitchen" to differentiate from
other Jones, christened as such!?
DiedDC: 22/6/1863 @ 5 Ashes (should be Grove),
Wrexham Rd, Chester, age 31, Elisha Brown present. (cause illegible).
1841 Census, New Crane St, Chester:
John Jones (35, Baker, Y), Jane (40,N), William (12,Y), Rachel (10,Y), Mary
(8,Y), Helena (6,Y), John (4,Y).
1851 Census, New Crane St, Chester:
John Jones (45, Baker & Flower Dealer, Chester), Jane (48, Liverpool),
William W (22, Baker, Chester), Rachel (20 Milliner, Chester), Mary K (19,
Chester, Trinity), Helena (16, Dressmaker, Chester, Trinity), John (14,
scholar, Trinity).
1854, @ marriage: 22 years, Spinster, of Saltney, Chester.
Father, John (Deceased) a Baker.
Witnesses: Paul Price jnr, William Henry Evans, Rachel Jones J Jones.
Issue of George Brown & Mary Jones:
1/1. Mary Helena Brown, b abt 1855, died 9/5/1860, aged 5MI.
1/2. William Hemsley Brown, (b. 1857, Chester, d. 1/10/1922),
(B/C Avail). Married Nellie from
Yorkshire,
On the 18th inst, (Aug 1883)at Queen St Congregational Church, by the
Rev H Ward Price, William Helmsley, eldest son of G.J. Hemsley Brown, of St
Martin in the Fields, to Eleanor Wild, youngest daughter of the late William
Watkinson of this city[15].
Aunt Nellie (Bernard's mother) owned Carlett Boulevard. (Uncle Will was with
Frost's - sold to Spillers eventually) both Bernard and Helmsley were married
and she wanted MPS and HMS to live with her when they were married. MPS thought
it wouldn't work as she was very fussy. She was still at Gledholt.
Bernard's wife died (Gertie). Nellie lived with both sons. She was very nice,
but Yorkshire and very particular. Very strict.
Bernard's invention bought by Petrol Companies for £38000 (saved 1/2 petrol
consumption). Died of brain tumour.
Lived at Gledholt, Liverpool Rd. Worked as a traveller for Frost's Flour Mills
who were later taken over by Spillers.
Asked Harry & Marjorie (Brown) Smith to live with her at Gledholt.
She then moved to Selkirk Rd after William died and latterly to Glan Aber when
she lived with Bernard's family.
From niece Marjorie Phillips
(Brown) Smith:
"Surely Helmsley was the eldest. Evelyn ran the boarding house where he
lodged in London. She was a good bit older than he. They adopted a girl."
"Aunt Nellie went to live with Hems and Evelyn at the beginning of the War
because they did not want to take in a refugee!"
1891 Census: 59 Bouverie St, Chester:
William H Brown (34, commercial traveller, Flour, Chester), Eleanor W (29,
Huddersfield), William H. (son, 6, Chester) Frederick B (son, 3, Chester)
1901 Census: 36, Liverpool St, Chester:
William H (44, Flour Salesman, worker, Chester), Eleanor W (39, Huddersfield),
W.H. (16, Articled Clerk), Frederick (13, Chester)
1911, William & Eleanor only
2/1. Frederick Bernard Brown, born Q3 1887,
married Gertie Gilbert from
Nantwich
3/1. Betty Brown. 3/2002, still living on Dee Banks,
she never married.
2/1. William Helmsley Brown,
married Evelyn & Gwen. B Q3 1884, No issue.
Lived in Fowey, Devon.
1/3. Ellen Jane "Jeannie" Brown,
(25/10/1859, Chester, d.
18/12/1941),
Ref DL: Married William Owen.
Worked as a governess at Owen's house, Capenhurst Manor. William was a cousin
of her employers; he was a poor relation and drank. They lived at Rockferry.
(previously at Fox Coverts, Spital.)
These Owens must have been William's uncle, Peter and/or his children. She
never liked the name Jane, preferring Jeannie.
From niece Marjorie Phillips (Brown) Smith and JEB:
"Aunt Jeannie was engaged to an elder son of the Owen family, but he later
went abroad to get out of it (so I've been told) and Will (Wm Kirk Owen) was
asked by Peter Owen (head of the family) to take her on instead! She must have
had a time of it. They were very short of money. The Owen family were always
very kind to Aunt Jeannie, Kirk and Jessie.
Aunt J used to have a cold bath every morning, drawn overnight because she had
to be up so early to get Will off to Liverpool. They never had a fire until
evening. She spoilt Kirk, he had more pocket money a better food than Jessie,
"being a man". He bullied Jessie."
1/4. Jessie Alice Brown, (1858, Chester), (B/C Avail).
Was engaged to Livingstone
Learmouth. Was a governess & died of fever in Madrid, Spain, 3/10/1884[16]. She was a particular
favourite of the family and 2 nieces Jessie Ellen and Jessie May Owen were
named after her.
1/5. Frederick George Brown, (1863, Chester), (B/C Avail).
Died: 22/1/1932, aged 69, after
coming home from a Burns Dinner.
Married Ellen Dunn, of Chistleton, Chester, after seeing her driving her
dogcart in Eastgate St. Thought to have married "trade".
He bought father, GJHB out of the shop and worked long hours to repay. Lived at
Thorndene in Cambrian Crescent and would not move to a larger property, partly
because Ellen was stone deaf. He was remembered by both his daughters as being
very careful with his money, a very Brown characteristic. He mellowed later and
was more generous.
FG Brown at shop from 9-11 at night - had his dinner brought to the shop in a
wicker basket. Warmed up on stove. James was a down and out, very honest - did
all the deliveries. Went to fetch FG dinner each day at 1230. Eventually James
fell in the shed and broke his leg - sent to the workhouse where he died. (paid
10/- a week for his rent and food. Had FG's old clothes. He was a nice old
thing. Had few teeth - was in the Salvation Army)
Refused to speak to his father-in-law Alfred Dunn as he considered him lazy
(except when his wife, who was always a peacemaker pressed him). Alfred Dunn
lived 6 months of each year with FG's family until his death while living with
his youngest daughter, Fanny at Glossop.
2/1. Jessie Brown, b 30/8/1893. 1st woman to work for Lloyds Bank in
1st WW when all the men were called up. Unm.
2/2. Marjorie Phillips Brown, born 17/4/1895, died 3/6/1993 aged 98.
Married Harry Malcolm Smith.
From Pippa (Lowe) Anderson, 9/2016.
Alexander Roylance Smith 1850-1923 and Jane Chesworth had 12 children (my
grandfather was the 2nd youngest, Harry).
Margaret I think was the 4th born child, the eldest daughter, b 1879.
Margaret married a chap with the surname Hewitt. They had a daughter Ellen
Elizabeth Hewitt in about September 1910
Known to me as Lyn or Lynnie, she was very good friends with Enid Hawkins.
Lyn married Cliff Pritchard in December 1944 in Caeleon, Monmouthshire. They
had one son Charles.
Lyn and husband Cliff owned and ran The Bolt Head Hotel, which sat on the
promontory spit of land at Salcombe; they divorced in the 1950’s.
Lyn then married Freddie H Isaac in the autumn of 1959. Freddie owned Link
House Newspapers. They published periodicals such as AutoTrader, Exchange &
Mart etc.
Lyn & Freddie lived in the very affluent Claremont Park, Esher.
One day Freddie made his Will and gave everything to his 2 daughters for tax
purposes; left himself with nothing to live on and his daughters gave him no
money to live on. It was a sorry state.
Lyn & Freddie tho were wonderfully in love until the day Freddie died,
sometime in the 1970’s - I can’t seem to find a death date. He died in Surrey.
Lyn moved to Bournemouth, to a beautiful apartment overlooking the Isle of
Wight at Canford Cliffs, where she lived until she died in 2002. She was a
favourite relative (1st cousin once removed) of mine and mummy's; Lyn and I
were very close.
Lyn’s son Charles married Ann and had 2 boys Gareth & John.
They divorced and he married Karen. Charles died about 9 years ago. His sons
survive him.
3/1. Beryl Evelyn Smith, born 9/12/1927, married & divorced.
3/2. Daphne Joyce Smith, JP, Born 1931
Died 29/5/2013.
Married Roy Lowe, born 1927.
Roy was an engineer with Rolls Royce in the 1950's, latterly working on
vibration analysis of aircraft structures. He worked for de Havilland Canada
for some years. He was mayor of Chester. He ran the family Silversmithing
business: none of his children wished to continue the business. Philippa had
worked in the business in London, but did not wish to move to Chester. The shop
was closed May 2001.
4/1. Jeremy Nigel Lowe 13/1/1957.
Married Ann Mead
5/1. Samuel Lawrence Lowe 15/1/94
4/2. Philippa Cicely Anne Lowe
14/8/1958 (Canada)
Married & Divorced Jay Galpin
Partner: David Anderson.
5/1. son Fraser George Anderson
4/3. Virginia Ruth Lowe 16/10/60
(Connecticut)
Married Ian Campbell
5/1. Hilary Alice 1/12/89.
5/2. Justin Matthew 1/2/92.
4/4. Dominic Roy, born Los
Angeles, 22/8/1962 (01275 830230).
Married Julie Their
5/1. James Thomas Lowe 18/1/1992
5/2. Jonathan Roy Lowe 18/1/1992.
5/3. Katie Grace Lowe 13/10/1995.
Married 2nd: 28/6/1866MC, Percy Chapel (Independent),
Charlotte St, Bath, he widower age 34, silversmith, of 5 Ashes, Chester, father
Elisha Brown; Mary Sophia Prime, 30, spinster, of 10, Dale St, Bath, father
George King Prime, a farmer. Witnesses: John Robert, Eleanor & John Manning
Born: 6/9/1835, Langley, Essex. Died 12/4/1911, Chester,
aged 73, tombstone..
She was the daughter of George King Prime, farmer of 10, Dale St, Bath.
1841 Census, Langley:
George Prime (30, farmer), Susan (25), Isaac (8), Jacob (6), Mary (Sophia)
(4), George (2), Joseph (1).
Issue of George Brown & Sophia Prime:
1/6. Leonora Gertrude Brown, (1868, Chester4), (B/C Avail).
Married Bert Whittam (18 years
her junior). Died in hotel in Sidmouth9dl 29/12/1958.
1/7. Minnie Louisa Brown, aka Hannah, (16/1/1870, Chester),
(B/C Avail).
From niece Marjorie Phillips (Brown) Smith:
"Minnie: "We always thought she was a bit of a snob, as she had more
money than the rest of us! The boys went to public school didn't they? She once
told someone after a lapse of quite 15 years not seeing me, I had
improved!"
Ref Daphne Lowe (with additional dates from BMD registers):
Minnie Died 30/5/1961, Cheshire, with probate to William & Peter Twiston
Davies.
Married (1) William Leonard
Twiston-Davies of Neston.
Lived at Beechwood House, Canal St, Chester. Lived at Abbey Green. A factory
sold to Imperial Tobacco. He was born abt 1863, probably died June 1920 (reg
Birkenhead, Cheshire).
Married (2) Evelyn L. Englehart, CBE, Lt Col, RWF, son of Sir Gordon Englehart
(a famous miniaturist? Ref EAC.)
Married Kensington, Q4 1924. He was born about 1863 and died 3/1943, Bath.
Address from Enid Hawkins book: Minnie Engleheart, 1st Floor flat, Woodland,
Wood Leigh, Clifton, Bristol.
2/1. Sir Leonard Twiston Davis (m. Dorothy)
Lord Lt of Monmouth, son Nigel
Friendly with Marjorie Brown
3/1. Tony Twiston-Davies
3/2. Christopher Twiston-Davies.
3/3. Suzanne Twiston-Davies.
2/1. William Twiston Twiston
Davis (m. Kathleen)
WTD carried out much research,
which is quoted here
Worked for Imperial Tobacco 2 sons (ref EAC).
Newspaper cutting: MC for conspicuous gallantry, 14/2/1917.
3/1. Peter Twiston-Davies.
3/2. David Twiston-Davies.
1/8. Ada G. Brown, (1872-1944),
Died9dl: At Crewe
station on way from Lancing to visit Daphne's mother. Ellen Brown (Mrs FG) had
to travel to Crewe to identify her. She was cremated at Crewe and her remains
were lost in transit for 6 weeks.
Married9dl: Henry "Bunk" Chamberlaine, as his 2nd wife. He
was from Worcester and worked for Dent's gloves. He bought shares in South
African Pines - never paid (when the pines gave up!). Enid Hawkins lived with
them for 4 years after leaving school. Bunk died in the War.
2/1. Daughter died infant.
1/9. Herbert Elisha Brown (1874-1936),
Based on Daphne Lowe’s papers,
and corrected by Gail Harrington (4/1, below)
married Annette Constance Eileen Warden 1882-1914, daughter of George Cockburn
Warden Jr and Gabriella Richardina Morrison. Went Toronto as an architect.
Eileen died at Dieundonner's birth9dl. He later remarried "Aunt
May". Died about 1937.
Eileen Warden’s grandfather was George Cockburn Warden Sr, whose father was Dr
William Warden author of Letters from St Helena, referring to his
acquaintance/observance of Napoleon. William had an uncle, Hugh Warden who
wrote a journal of travels in Virginia in the 1700’s.
See http://johnclaytonsr.com/warden.htm
2/1. Warden Brown.
2/2. Estella Eileen Hemsley Brown (Stella) (1905-73),
m. Homer Guenther (1902-66),a
Canadian who worked in a bank. He visited English family during the 2nd war and
sent food parcels! Frank Guenther visited in the 1980's.
3/1. Constance "Louise" Guenther, 1931-2003,
who first married Peter Tate
Harrington (1930-1971) in 1950. In 1980 Louise married Edward Arthur Marion
Chadwick, great-grandson of THE Edward Marion Chadwick Canadian lawyer,
heraldry expert, genealogist etc etc. He had arms granted 15/10/2015. Edward
Marion Chadwick was a brother of the Chadwick ancestors of Betty Chadwick, who
married Reginald Kirk-Owen.
She was Bur York, Ont, Canada died 20/1/2003, born 14/8/1931
4/1. Gail Harrington.
4/2. Alan b 1957 Harrington
4/3. Sandra b 1961 Harrington
3/2 John Franklin Guenther
1932-, m. to Patricia Johns,
4/1. Mary Guenther.
4/2. Sylvia Guenther
4/3. Brian Guenther
3/3. Jane Eileen Guenther,
1946-, m Paul Williams
4.1. Wendy Williams
4/2. Paula Williams.
4/3. David Williams.
4/4. Jodie Williams (daughter)
2/3. Kenneth Brown
2/4. Dieundonner Brown.
1/10. Edith (Edie) Rolfe Brown, (1876-21/10/1953).
Engaged 1st to Mr. Hutchins who
went to India and sent a sliver box. (he later married an Australian and lived
in West Avenue). Later engaged to Mr. Hutchinson. She was stage-struck and
worked for a time in the stage - this was of course anathema to her family!
Married James Arthur Lambourne Hawkins, an actor who later started a cinema in
Sheffield (it had wooden benches). He was very musical and wrote plays. James'
father was a parson from St Austell, Cornwall. They were married in Arbroath.
GJHB tried to stop the marriage, but arrived too late. She left James Hawkins
when her daughters were small and returned to live with GJHB at Ash Grove. Later
moved to 11 Bath St with her daughters provided for by FGB and his brother
William. There is a theory that James AL Hawkins was related to the Actor Jack
Hawkins, simply because he had a great resemblance to Enid. She once contacted
the family but was brushed off! A younger generation may be more interested.
JALH's father was the Rev James Hawkins, a primitive Methodist minister,
according to his gg grand-daughter, Kay Slee from Barry, South Wales. JALH had
8 siblings, including a sister Elizabeth.
MARRIAGE[17].
— The wedding took place at Arbroath, N.B., on Jan. 4th, (1902) of Mr.
James A. L. Hawkins, eldest eon of the late Rev. J. Hawkins, of Worcester, and
brother of Mr. C. V. Hawkins, of the “Advertiser” literary staff, and Miss
Edith Rolfe Brown daughter of G. Hemsley Brown, Esq., of Chester. Mr. and Mrs
Hawkins are well known in the theatrical world, their stage names being
“Lanwarne Hawkins" and "Edith Rolfe” respectively, and have appeared
on more than one occasion at Peterborough Theatre Royal.
From internet search:
Married Ann Tuffin, dau of Rev Robert Tuffin
Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administration) 1885
HAWKINS - The Reverend James 7 November
Administration of the Personal Estate of The Reverend James HAWKINS late of 4
Albert Terrace Fort Royal Hill in the City of Worcester, Minister of the
Primitive Methodist Connexion who died 31 July 1885 at 4 Albert Terrace was
granted at Worcester to Anne HAWKINS of 4 Albert-terrace Widow the Relict
Personal Estate £281 11s. 1d
Buried in Astwood cemetery in Worcester
1881 Census
1881 Census Tregenna Terrace St Ives
James Hawkins 45 Primitive Methodist Minister of Primitive Methodist Chapel,
Ann 38 born Wiltshire Salisbury, Edith M. 16 Cornwall Chacewater, Winifred A.
15 Cornwall ditto. Elizabeth M. 13 Cornwall ditto, Gertrude E. 11 Wiltshire,
Emily F. 10 Cornwall St Austell, James A. 9 ditto, George L. 8 ditto, Robert S.
6 Monmouth, Kate E. 4 Cornwall Penzance, Florence J. 1 Cornwall St Ives
Issue:
Neither daughter married, but were much involved in theatre.
2/1. Enid Hawkins, who gave much information to Daphne Lowe, and WTD.
2/2. Joan Hawkins. Taught dancing to support the family.
Both lived in Guildford.
1/11. Percy John Brown (1877-10/6/1938).
Married Florence Arnold from
Southsea or Portsmouth. He was a pharmacist and Florence was the daughter of
the chemist for whom he worked. He later started a cinema in Hayling Island
(FGB would not lend him any money for such a venture). Was articled to ?? &
??. No issue.
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7.1 HENRY OWEN -
1788
AC07/01
The father of Henry Owen
Born: 28/12/1788, bap 29/3/1789, St James ToxtethFMP. – age at death
correct.
Parents: William & Catherine (Perry) Owen (a Taylor), of Breck Street.
DiedDC: 20/12/1845, 121 Great Howard St, Liverpool, a miller aged
56, of Typhus. Informant Margaret Leighton.
No will found.
Poem "the Miller of the Dee" said to refer to Henry Owen[18].
Henry Owen was a corn miller in Liverpool active from about 1814 until at least
1842. He had a steam mill by 1819, probably fairly advanced for the era. His
location in Liverpool, particularly later at Shaws Brow near the docks, would
indicate he was milling imported corn, probably from the US. Owen being a
common name makes tracing his ancestors somewhat difficult, but the best guess
is shown. Twice bankrupt, 1826 and 1835endnote 23.
Land Sale, 1826[19]:
All that extensive and very valuable Lot of LAND, on the north side of
Islington, with the Steam CORN MILL, DWELLING-HOUSES, Stables, Warehouse, and
other Buildings thereon erected, late in the several tenures of Henry Owen.
James Bradley, and others, containing in front to Islington 233 feet 4 inches,
or thereabouts, and being of a mean depth of about 124 feet.
The Tenure is in part Freehold of Inheritance, and in part Leasehold, in full
Lease, under the Corporation of Liverpool, and the purchaser will be at liberty
to take the Machinery, &c. at a valuation.
Henry and his mills were involved in a couple of events reported in the papers,
firstly assisting at one at a neighbouring mill in 1833[20]:
"WANT OF WATER AT FIRES.
TO THE EDITOR OF THE LIVERPOOL MERCURY.
Sin,—Knowing your willingness on all occasions to check any thing
injurious to the interests of the inhabitants of this town, I beg respectfully
to inform you, that at the fire which occurred on Saturday night last, on the
premises occupied by Mr. J. Fairhurst, flour-dealer, Scotland road, the
disastrous consequences, in loss of life and destruction of property, which
unfortunately attended it, are in a great measure to be attributed to the want
of a supply of water. There were five engines promptly on the spot and
notwithstanding their number, it was upwards of an hour before water was
obtained. To Mr. Henry Owen, of the Castle Mills, and his men, much praise is
due for the efficient supply of water from his premises; and the activity of
his men with buckets no doubt prevented the destruction of several small houses
adjoining Mr. Fairhurst's premises, as well as the Castle Mill.
I hope that the public authorities will see the necessity of
taking such steps as will prevent the recurrence of such a want of the only
element that stays the destructiveness of fire. Yours, &c. PETER EDWARDS.
The second was at his own mills, resulting in bankruptcy:
LIVERPOOL FRIDAY, DECEMBER 5. 1834[21].
Destructive Fires.—On Tuesday morning last, about four o'clock, a fire broke
out in the extensive steam corn-mill, in Chaucer-street, Scotland-road, known
by the name of the Castle Mills, and occupied by Mr. Henry Owen. The fire broke
through the whole extent of the roof suddenly and almost instantaneously, and
there is every reason to suppose that it had been smouldering the whole night.
The watch-man in the neighbourhood perceived what he thought a smell of fire
several hours before, and went round the premises about ten minutes before the
flames burst forth. In a few minutes the whole building was on fire. Four of
the Fire Police engines, under Mr. Gallemore, as well as the Norwich and West
of England engines, under the direction of Mr. Anderson and Mr. Davis, were
quickly on the spot, and there having been an abundant and prompt supply of
water, means were taken to confine the fire to the premises in which it originated.
The wind, however, being very high, the ignited embers and burnt wood, were
carried with great velocity over the houses towards Everton, exhibiting in
their descent a splendid shower of fire. The threatening aspect of the fire and
the falling of the burning embers alarmed the whole neighbourhood, and a great
deal of confusion was caused by people removing their furniture. With some
difficulty their apprehensions were quieted, and Mr. Whitty and his men
succeeded in inducing them to refrain, keeping at the same time their doors and
windows closed. At six o’clock there were no fears of further damage; but the
engines continued playing, and at eight o'clock part of the wall fronting
Chaucer street fell in. This rendered the gable end in Meadow-street very
alarming: but long poles having been procured, It was pushed down by men
standing on the roofs of the opposite dwelling-houses. In falling, the middle
part bulged out, and in coming down carried with it the front of a dwelling-house.
At nine the engines discontinued playing. His Worship the Mayor was promptly on
the spot, and remained until nearly nine o'clock. Mr. Wales, Chairman of the
Fire Police Committee, and several other gentlemen were also present and
rendered every assistance. Mr. Whitehouse, Mr. Anderson, and Mr. Sutton,
assurance agents, were present and very active. Mr. Parlour and Mr. Whitty, as
usual, preserved excellent order. The building is a complete ruin, and the
damage is estimated at £10,000, very little of which was insured.
Shaw's Brow:
Now William Brown Street after the Victorian era remodelling
of Liverpool
Prints of Shaw's Brow in "Pictorial Relics of Ancient Liverpool", WG
Hardman, 1878. Shaw's Brow was an area of pottery production. It was renamed
William Brown St and is the site of the present day Library and Art Gallery,
both built in the mid 19thC. Islington crosses the top of William Brown St, and
still exists, but totally changed from Henry's day.
From a drawing in Item JSPB-ODR-045 - Shaw's Brow Mill,
Liverpool, Mills Archive. 1845.[22]
Gore's Directory:
First appears 1814 as corn miller of 28, Islington; continues in 1818, 21,
23. Commercial Trades directory shows him as steam miller in 1819-20. 1825, of
61 St Ann st with steam mill at 219 Islington. 1827,19, 32 & 34, of 19
Comus St with mill at Castle Mills, 1 Meadows St (13&14 in 1832). 1835, a
miller of 62 Virgil St (res) & 16 Mills Place, Shaws Brow. 1837 a miller of
43 Bevington St. In 1839 Henry Owen, Victualler, of 8 Bevington Hill listed.
Quilliams also at Shaws Brow.
1837/42: Register of Electors has no trace of Henry Owen.
1816, Henry 2 birth, miller of Upper Islington.
1819: Henry Owen and James Whalley of Liverpool corn & flour dealers
dissolve partnership.
1824, Baines, directory: Henry Owen, corn miller, steam mill, 29 Islington.
1826, Charles birth, miller of St Ann St.
1826: Henry Owen, corn and flower dealer bankrupt, 1828: dividend of 8/6 in the
£.
1828: Pigots, Hen. Owen, miller, Castle Mills, Meadow St.
1834/5: Bankrupt again, in prison in January 1835
1835: Henry Owen, formerly of Comus St, Liverpool in partnership with James
Rogerson as millers and lastly at Virgil St, Liverpool, Miller on his own
account, at the court house, Liverpool 7th April 1835 (Court for the
relief of insolvent debtors[23].
1842, Henry's marriage: a miller
1841 Census: 13 Great Nelson St. (all born in county)
Henry (50, miller), Alice (55), Alice (25, schoolmistress), Henry (20), Peter
(18, Ap. Timber Merchant), Mary (20), Charles (15, Ap. Cotton Broker).
1851 Census, No 35 (street name not given), Aintree, West Derby:
Alice (67, Hd, annuitant), Charles (25, son, annuitant), Emily (g/dau, 8).
As Emily was not with her parents in 1851, this must be the same one.
There were Quilliams at Shaws Brow.
Married: Alice Hunt (maiden name stated in dau Alice’s baptism)
Henry Owens, bachelor, miller, of Walton on the Hill and Alice
Hunt, spinster of Walton, married by banns 12 June 1811, he signed, she made
her mark, Toxteth, St James.
ALICE HUNT - 1782
Probably Alice Hunt b 11/8/1782, ch 25/8/1782, West Derby of William &
AliceFMP, although the age at death does not quite match (should be
77).
Died, April 18 (1860) at the residence of her son, Mr Peter Owen, Old Swan,
aged 76, Alice, relict of Mr Henry Owen of this town[24]. (1860 directory: Peter
Owen, book-keeper, Highfield ter, Derby la, Old Swan).
Issue of Henry & Alice Owen (IGI @ St Peter, Liverpool):
1/1. Alice Owen b. 1816.
St Peter's Liverpool, b
29/5/1812, ch 6/9/1812, dau of Henry Owens & Alice Hunt
1841 with family in Gt Nelson St, schoolteacher
1843 Gores: teacher of Upper Stanhope St.
1851 Census, a schoolteacher (35), lodging with Thomas family, at 47, Kent St,
with day school next door.
1861 Census, West Derby, governess aged 40 - probably her.
1/2. Ann Owen ch: 2/4/1815.
1/3. Henry Owen ch: 22/9/1816. PR.
1/4. Anne Owen ch: 13/7/1818.
1/5. Mary Ellen Owen ch: 24/9/1820. PR
Married Samuel Hughes, ref Pat
Thompson, Ancestry.com.
On 16th September 1844, she married Samuel Hughes, a printer, baptised 13th
June 1824. He was the son of Robert Hughes and his first wife Elizabeth Eccles.
Think Elizabeth died in childbirth, or very soon afterwards as Robert
re-married quite quickly.
Samuel and Mary Ellen had one son Robert. On 1851 census it says he was born in
Scotland but I think this may be the district of Liverpool. I will have to
check my files but Mary E and Samuel were still alive in 1861 and possibly in
1871, but as I say, I will need to get out the file and check. I have found no
sign of Robert--at least not that I can identify anyway.
1/6. Peter Owen ch: 2/12/1822. PR
Died 5/12/1908, from his rather
magnificent tomb, which lists his children and wife.
1841 census with parents, apprenticed timber broker.
1851: Gores book-keeper of 6, Church St, Higher Tranmere.
1853: Gores book-keeper of 221 Mill St.
1858: Lived 3 Wellington Place, Toxteth Park (re email 7/2014)
1860 Gores: Book-keeper of Highfield Ter, Darby Lane, Old Swan.
1861 Gores: Timber Merchant of Marsh Cottage, Crosbie Rd.
1861 Census, 73 Derby Lane, West Derby:
Peter (38, wood broker, Liverpool), Sarah de Brock (35, Devonport) Stanley (2,
West Derby), Minnie (dau, 10 mths, West Derby)
1867 Gores: Timber Merchant (Farnworth & Jardine) of Waterloo Park,
Waterloo.
1870/1 Gores: of Homewood, Waterloo Park.
1871 Census, Homewood, Waterloo Park, Crosby, Lancs:
Peter (wid, 48, Timber Broker) Alice (sister, 58) Elizabeth Thomas (m-in-law,
76, Devonshire).
Farnworth & Jardine of 1 Liverpool & Lon Chambers & 9 Canada Dock.
1881 Census, Great Sutton, Cheshire.
Peter Owen (wid, 58, Wood Broker), Elinor L (4, G/Sutton), Evelyn M. (3,
G/Sutton), Mary E (32, niece, Liverpool), Paul G. (nephew, Clerk, Waterloo)
1891 Census, The Elms, Great Sutton, Cheshire. (called The Manor, Gt Sutton in
2014)
Peter Owen (wid, 68, Wood Broker), Elinor B (dau, 14, scholar, G/Sutton),
Evelyn (dau, 13, G/Sutton), Mary Agnes (42, niece, Liverpool)
1901 Census, Great Sutton (The Elms), Cheshire:
Peter Owen (wid, 78, Timber Merchant, Employer), Mary A (52, niece House
Keeper), Evelyn M (dau, 23, Gt Sutton). & nurse etc.
Married 1st, Sarah de Brock Thomas, 4/7/1849, Liverpool, St Brides:
bth full age, bachelor & Spinster, he of Higher Tranmere, father Henry,
dcd, a miller. She of West Street Liverpool, father John Thomas, Painter.
From tomb in Toxteth Park Cemetery:
She died 1870Q4, aged 45, West Derby index.
2/1. Henry Owen, died 6/2/1858, aged 7
2/2. Alice Owen died 15/2/1858, aged 7
2/3. Charlotte Elizabeth Owen, bur March 4 1858, ch Toxteth, 19/6/1853
2/4. Minnie Owen, died 14/7/1864, aged 4.
Married 2nd, abt 10/1872 as a widower, Eleanor Harrison both of
waterloo, Seton. b abt 1838, died May 12 1879 at Great Sutton, aged 41. Must
have married immediately after the 1871 census.
2/1. Child, died 22/3/1874, aged 4.
2/1. Elinor B. Owen, b abt 1877.
2/2. Evelyn M. Owen, b abt 1878.
1/7. Matilda Owen ch: 13/10/1824. PR
1/8. Charles Owen ch: 26/3/1826, St Peter’s.
Parents: Henry, a miller, &
Alice of St Anne Street.
1851 Census, Aintree:
Alice Owen (67, Annuitant, Liverpool), Charles (25, Annuitant, Liverpool),
Emily (g/dau, 8, scholar, Liverpool).
Census 41 Upper Frederick St:
Charles Owen (23, Carpenter),
Sarah (21), John (1.5), Henry (0.5). All born in Lancs. Probably Henry's
brother (slight discrepancy over age).
No relevant Charles Owens found in 1861 Census on Ancestry.com
IGI & PR shows, but probably a different family:
Henry Owen & Alice having children ch @ St Mary the Virgin, West Derby,
Lancs, probably the son of Henry Owen, engineer in Myers St, Edge Vale in 1841:
on Elizabeth’s PR, a labourer of West Derby.
Elizabeth (22/8/1858), Margaret (23/9/1860), Henry (8/2/1863), Jane
(26/1/1868), Alice (22/3/1870).
1/9. Emily (5/8/1829) PR of Comus St.
Peter Owen:
The Elms, Great Sutton, (Peter Owen)[25]
"Sea Breezes, Jan 1939"
Messrs Farnworth & Jardine were large timber merchants
of Liverpool with big connections in New Brunswick. They started ship-owning in
the early 40-'s of the last century, bringing their own timber over from New
Brunswick. During the gold rushes of the 50's to Australia, they built up a
large fleet of wooden built New Brunswick ships. Amongst many well known ships
they owned were the White Star "Ben Nevis", "Anglo Saxon",
"Lady Palmerston", "Sir Henry Lawrence" and "Sir John
Lawrence". Their last ship, the "Lady Palmerstone", was sold to
John Edgar in 1889 and they retired from shipping, though they still exist as a
timber firm.
John Farnworth a timber merchant 1840 Gores.
"Liverpool Legion of Honour", Vol 2, p533/4, BG
Orchard, 1893 (H920-1-ORC).
A James Smith also worked for F&J 1861-67.
OWEN(PETER),
a widely known member of the important Timber Trade is a partner in the form of
Farnworth & Jardine, 2 Dale St, and resides at The Elms, Great Sutton,
Cheshire, which he purchased, with about 1 hundred acres of land seventeen
years ago, and by extensive alterations has converted into one of the prettiest
mansions in the Hundred of Wirral. He is the son of a Liverpool miller and corn
merchant, and was born and educated in Liverpool. His business career commenced
full half a century since by a brief stay in a commission and forwarding
office, after which he became an apprentice to the almost historical firm of
Edward Chaloner & Co., then Chaloner & Houghton. When these gentlemen
separated in 1849, Mr. Owen, then just out of his time, remained with Mr.
Chaloner, who made him head clerk. When Mr. Fleming, who was Mr Chaloner's
partner, joined James Bland & Co., in 1854, he became Sole manager of the
business, and so remained until 1861, when he joined Messrs. Farnworth &
Jardine, who gave him an interest in a portion of their business. At this time
they took up mahogany, building sheds and auction rooms in Regent-road, and
commenced periodical sales which now have a world-wide reputation. In 1866,
three years before Mr. Farnworth's death, Mr. Owen's conspicuous ability and
usefulness secured a full partnership, and ever since this eminent firm has
consisted of Mr. Jardine and Mr. Owen. Apart from business, in which he is
known over two continents, Mr. Owen does not court general notice, although in
1889 the Royal Academy Exhibition contained a portrait group ("Home")
by Mr. Phil Morris, of himself, son, and three daughters, which was in all the
illustrated catalogues and in the "Graphic" and other illustrated
papers. Though living twelve miles from his office, he is generally there at 9
a.m. As an auctioneer he is fluent, vigorous and clever; but ordinary platform
speaking is out of his line. He is a frequent attendant, but a silent member of
the Literary and Philosophical, the Microscopic, and the Philomathic
Societies. But he takes interest in political matters, being a vice-president
of the Wirral Liberal
Association. He has twice been cordially elected chairman of
the Timber Trade Association. Like many other gentlemen eminently able in
commerce, he seems to have deliberately avoided exertion of large general
powers in other directions, although qualified to do so with distinction. He
refuses to be prominent except as in the front rank of timber-merchants.
He has, however, relaxed so far as to print for private circulation a small
book entitled "Letters home from Palestine".
Late 1908:
The death of the late Mr. Peter Owen, a partner in the well-known firm of
Farnworth & Jardine, will be learned of with much regret by Canadian timber
shippers, many of whom have done business with his firm in the old country. Mr.
Owen was born in 1822 and served his apprenticeship with Edward Chaloner &
Company, whom be left in 1861 to join the firm of Farnworth & Jardine. He
was made a partner of the firm in 1880 and remained as such until the time of
his death[26].
Probate Index:
OWEN Peter of 2 Dale-street Liverpool and the Manor Great Sutton Cheshire died
5 December 1908 Probate London 13 January to Stanley Gwen and Hugh Mesnard
Melly brokers and Ernest Bradley engineer.
Effects £67635 5s. 3d.
7.2 WILLIAM QUILLIAM – 1792-1833
AC07/03
The original thought was that William Quilliam, father-in-law of Henry Owen,
miller, was William Branthwaite Quilliam, born to William Quilliam and Agnes
Branthwaite. However, his death notice appeared in a newspaper entry in 1819[27]. It turned out that
William the father, was in fact the brother of James Quilliam, father of this
William (1792). His will and the newspaper describe him as a collector of
taxes, but all earlier records have him as a cooper, presumably his earlier
trade.
Born about 1792, no birth found.
Parents: James & Elizabeth (Brown) Quilliam.
“cooper, late of Liverpool” WQ 1835 will.
He predeceased uncle William by a few weeks.
Died: 19/7/1833, Gt Charlotte St, aged 41 of Cholera.
(Everton non conformists), confirmed by newspaper:
Thursday 18th ult...(18/7/1833) same day, suddenly, age 41, Mr
William Quilliam, many years collector in St John’s markets. His death is
deeply lamented by a numerous family and an extensive circle of friends[28].
His death would have been at the end of the 1832 outbreak of Cholera in
Britain, which peaked in Liverpool the previous summer: this epidemic was the
disease’s first appearance in England.
His will dated 14/1/1833, probated 27/1/1834.
A collector of Toll, of Liverpool
Wife Sarah, exec.
4 Houses in Rose Court, Rose Place, Liverpool
All 6 children are in both the wills of WQ1835 and their
father WQ1834.
The issue of William & Sarah appear in the 1841 census of Great Charlotte
street: of the issue of William & Sarah, only Sarah, the last born does not
appear.
1821: a cooper of Plumbe St (Jane's dau, Elizabeth's birth)
(nb Robert Quilliam at Plumbe St 1807)
1823: a cooper of Lawton St.
1824 Pigots & Baines, of Lancaster:
William Quilliam, collector of tolls and rents, St John’s Market: h. 28 Dance
St.
1826: a cooper of Dance St.
1832: Poll Book, cooper of Prospect St, W Derby - was this him?
1841 Census, Gt Charlotte St, (All born Lancs).
(nil at Gt Charlotte St 1851)
William Q (18, Gardener), Elizabeth (17), James (16), John (14, Engineer's
Apprentice), Richard (12).
Married: William Quilliam, Bachelor and Sarah Evans, spinster,
24/9/1821, Liverpool St Phillip, wit John Sherlock Quilliam (sig) and Ann
Quilliam, (mark).
Quilliam, Sarah of relict of late William death, age 37 of Great Charlotte St,
6 children, December 1839.[29]
Thus born Dec 1801-Nov 1802, best fit being:
Born 14/6/1802, ch 22/9/1802FMPi, of William Evans, of Fisher St,
Sawyer, and Jane Jones, his wife, St Nicholas, Liverpool.
There were several William Evans/Jane marriages in Liverpool, and some to Jane
Jones in Wales...a lot of Evans’s and Jones’s in the area from Wales.
Issue of William & Sarah Quilliam (on the evidence of the Census 1841 for
Gt Charlotte St & PR, St Peters):
1/1. William Edward Quilliam, 5/5/1822FMPi, of Lawton St, a cooper.
Inherited Park Lane property,
from WQ 1835: “son of my nephew William Quilliam, late of Liverpool, Cooper”.
Married, 21/5/1851FMPt, St Peter, Liverpool, Ellen Callaghan, dau of
John, he the son of William.
1860/1 Electors: William Edward Quilliam, Freeman, Moor Court, Hanley St.
1861 Census, Lime St Liverpool.
William E. Quilliam (38, Battler), Ellen (31), William (6), John (1)
Died, as William Quilliam, possibly, 29//1865ACt, bur Toxteth Park
cemetery.
1871 Census, Gloucester St, Islington, Liverpool:
James Blanchard (hd, 45, Porter, Lancs), Ellen B (wife, 40, Liverpool), William
Quilliam (Stepson, 16, Butcher, Liverpool) Emily Blanchard (dau, 1 Liverpool)
1881 Census, Lodger: James Blanchard (56, married, Labourer, born Crosby).
Neither Ellen nor Emily appear on 1881, so probably died.
Issue:
2/1. William Quilliam abt 1855
2/2. John Quilliam abt 1860.
1/2. Elizabeth Quilliam, ch: 22/6/1823PR, father
of Lawton St, a Cooper,
Married Henry Owen.
1/3. James Quilliam, ch: 18/2/1825FMPi, father of
Dance St, a cooper.
1839: James Quilliam Freeman of
Liverpool, of Rose Place, Rose Garden. – probably him, father William mentioned
Rose Place in his will
Married 20/8/1855, St Joseph’s Liverpool, full age, bachelor, Gilder,
Pennington St, father William, cooper. Mary Ann Jepson, age 20 spinster, of
Gloucester St, father Joseph, Car driver.
1861 Census, 17 Mulberry St, Liverpool:
James Quilliam (36, Gilder/journeyman), Mary A (26, former dressmaker, Liverpool)
1871: Mary Ann with her parents, Joseph & Margaret Jepson, as a widow.
Probably no issue.
Also, ref Marybelle Beigh[30]
7/2006:
Westfield NY Cemetery, old section A1, Lot 261 headstone.
JAMES B QUILLIAM, a native of Liverpool, died Jan.1,1850. aged 24.
If so, a pocket book of his exists, & Marybelle sent A Maitland a copy.
1/4. John Quilliam, ch: 30/12/1826PR, of Dance
St, a Cooper. Prob died early.
1/5. Richard Giles Quilliam, ch 16/10/1828PRa,
Dance St, a cooper, St Peters.
M. Emma Walsh, 11/5/1858ACi,
St Mary’s Church, Edge Hill, Liverpool, age 28, Bachelor, Coach Maker, 8
William St, father’s name William, a cooper; Emma aged 19 spinster of 9
Clarence St, father David a sailor. James & Mary Ann Quilliam witnessed.
1861 Census, Mount Pleasant, Liverpool, all b Liverpool.
Charles Walsh (34, tailor), Ann Walsh (26, wife), Joseph Walsh (8), David Walsh
(4) Mary Walsh (1), Emma Quilliam (wife? 22, probably sister of Charles)
He D abt 1904. No census’s found.
1/6. Sarah Quilliam C: 8 Feb 1830PRa, Jubilee
St, Cooper, St Peters.
There is no further sign of her,
so probably died young.
An alternative, but the dates do not quite agree, there is
also no recorded marriage, or death of Jane in the relevant time period, so
these are probably not connected with us.
Issue of William & Jane
1/1. Jane Carr Quilliam, ch 22/4/1818ACi of William & Jane Carr
Quilliam, Cooper of Addison St.
1/1. Elizabeth Quilliam, ch: 15/7/1821, a cooper of Plumbe St.
AC07/05
Elisha Brown, about 1850, from a Daguerreotype
The father of George JH Brown
Born9web: 6/10/1787, Coventry. (Census & grave).
Parents: Most likely, John Brown.
William Elisha Brown in a letter of 1924, deduced from some books inscribed
William Brown 2 month, 7 day 1784 (which looks very much like a Quaker date
format) that Elisha’s father was William Brown of Coventry. However, in the
same letter, he refers to his aunt Mary (who must have been daughter of Elisha and
Martha, born 1822, saying her grandfather was John. She was probably the most
reliable source. However, Elisha’s apprenticeship record indicates that
Elisha’s father was William and his profession a Weaver when he
enrolled Elisha into the Watchmaking apprenticeship in 1809.
The rest of his ancestry written
by Daphne Lowe.
Death9web: 15/7/1863, Great Boughton, Cheshire. bur Overleigh,
Chester Cemetery. No Will
None of the internet based systems have his birth: the above date comes from
his tombstone, and the place from his census returns. There are comments that
his family was strictly non-conformist, so that may be the reason.
Made freeman of Coventry, 25/6/1816. Later lived at Warrington, and had
business in Macclesfield before settling in Chester. (ref WTD)
Extract: ...Watch making had started in the City (Coventry) as
early as 1720 but it wasn't until the 1840's that it grew to predominance. Most
watchmakers, like weavers, worked from home with their workshops at the back of
the house on the top floor. These "top shops" are a feature of
Coventry's housing stock to this day and they can be seen in many streets in
the City....
All the Browns had a strong Nonconformist conscience and disapproved of
alcohol, theatre etc. Were very careful over money.9eh
1841 Census, Nicholas St, Chester:
Elisha Brown (53, Watch mfg, N), Martha (50, N), Mary (16, N), Sarah (14, Y),
Elisha (12, Y), George (8,Y).
1851 Census, 66 Middle Crane St, Chester:
Elisha (63, Watchmaker, Coventry), Martha (61, Ockbrook, Derbys), Mary (28,
Warrington), Sarah (24, Northwich), Elisha (23, Watchmaker, Northwich), George
(19, Watchmaker, Macclesfield).
1854, Son's marriage: a Watchmaker.
1861 Census, Ash Grove, Chester:
Elisha Brown (73, watch Maker, Coventry), Martha (72, Ogbrook), Elisha (31,
Watchmaker, Northwich), Mary (dau, 38, Warrington). Alongside son William.
Married: Martha Bleymire, 29/10/1820, Manchester Cathedral.
Parish Church of Manchester, Elisha, bachelor of this parish and town of
Manchester, Watch-maker and Martha Bleymire, spinster of same place, by banns,
both signedAC.
MARTHA BLAYMIRE
AC07/06
Birth: 03/7/1789AC, agrees with census for place
and date
Christening: 08/7/1789 United Brethren's Congregation, Ockbrook, Derby.
Parents: Geo & Martha Blaymire
(This George agrees with the letter by William Elisha Brown later in this
paper, place deduced from Census)
Died: Q2 1872, Reg Chester, age 82.
Father George ref web & WE Brown (g/son, b.1855).
Said to have had beautiful hands "which she had never in her life
soiled". Said to have been carried to school in Manchester in a Sedan
chair.
Married: Elisha Brown 29/10/1820, Manchester Cathedral (IGI).
Census 51, 66 Middle Crane St, Chester:
Aged 61 (born Derbys)
Census 71, 6, Ash Grove, Chester:
Martha (81, Widow, Derbys), Mary (dau, 40, Chester), Elisha (son, 38,
Goldsmith, Chester).
These must be her son and daughter, the ages vary from the earlier census,
which looks more correct.
Issue of Elisha Brown & Martha Blamire:
1/1. William Elisha Brown, (9web16/8/1821, Warrington,
died 13/8/1891),
Was very tall!
This is probably a son of Elisha Brown, confirmed by WE Brown tree.
1851 Census, Foregate St, Chester:
William Brown (29, Watchmaker, Warrington), Sarah (21, Chester), Sarah J (3,
Chester)
1861 Census, Ash Grove, Chester:
William Brown (38, Watchmaker, Warrington), Sarah J. (31, Chester), Sarah (13,
Chester), William E (6, Chester), next to parents.
1871 Census, 1, Ash Grove, Chester:
William Brown (50, Watchmaker & Jeweller, Warrington), Jane (49, Newtown
Montgomery), Sarah (23, Chester), William (15, Surveyor & Engineer,
Chester).
Census 1881, 1, Ash Grove, Chester:
William (now age 53!) and Jane (age 57!).
Married 2nd, 27/1/1863, Jane Ashton, dau of Samuel Horton a farmer,
widow aged 35 of Queens Park Chester, William, Jeweller of Wrexham Rd, Five
Ashes, son of Elisha Gent.
Married, 1st Sarah, who died 18/6/1861 in 32nd year of
ageMI.
Probably Sarah Saunders Q4 1846.
2/1. Sarah Brown, born 1848, Chester.
2/3. William Elisha Brown, b 5/1853, died 16/11/1853, aged 6 monthsMI.
2/39web. William Elisha Brown, born 9/4/1855, Chester.
He made some attempts to
establish a family tree and was in communication with Edie Rolfe Brown. Married
"Etty".
Married, 15/8/1878, St Peter, Burnley, Esther Thwaites
He 23, accountant, Bachelor, Chester, father William Brown, watchmaker.
She 27, spinster, of Water Street, father George Thwaites, cotton spinner.
1881 Census, 31 Bouverie St, Chester.
William E. (35, Architect’s Assistant), Esther (27).
1891 Census: 33, Parkgate Rd, Chester:
William E (35, Land Estate Agent), Esther (40), William E (5), Constance E (7),
Margaret W (6).
1911 Census: 33 Parkgate Rd, Chester, all born Chester.
William Elisha (56, 3 living children, Estate Agent, annuitant), Esther (60,
Chorley) William Ernest (28, Land Surveyor, worker), Constance Evelyn (27),
Margaret Winifred (26).
DL: lived at 31 Parkgate Rd, St Oswald's Mount.
3/19web. William Ernest Brown, born 24/7/1882, Chester.
Married Ivy Haswell Q2 1915. He
and father never spoke, but worked together!
3/2. Margaret Winifred Brown,
buried St Asaph. Married Mr Cleaver,
b abt 1884, 2 sons, born about 1918 & 1920.
3/3. Constance Evelyn Brown, buried at St Oswalds' late 1960's.
b abt 1885, Lived 33 Parkgate Rd. Unmarried.
1/2. Mary Brown, (1823, Warrington),
IGI: B: 31/7/1822 Ch: 11/8/1822
Stepney Independent Or Congregational, Warrington, Lancashire
A Mary Brown died 1/12/1904, aged 82MI.
1/3. Sarah Brown, IGI: B. 21/5/1826,
Ch: 13/3/1828 Independent Or
Congregational, Northwich, Cheshire, May have lived in Dee Hills Pk or
Chistleton
1/4. Elisha Brown, (ch 13/3/1828 Northwich IGI &
Census),
Married Sarah, no issue. Lived
Ash Grove next door to GJHB.
Died 7//1905, aged 77MI.
1884: in a court case about encroachement, of Boughton, watchmaker[31].
1/5. George JH Brown, (1832, Macclesfield).
1/6. Moses Brown.
1/7. Robert Brown, sold vegetables door to door and infuriated Aunt Minnie (ref
Enid).
Elisha & Sarah shown in IGI as ch at Nether Knutsford and Independent or
Congregational, Northwich.
Ancestry of Elisha Brown ref WE Brown Tree, from Daphne Lowe:
William Brown of Coventry, died 1796-7
John Brown, died 8/1797, left effects £5000
John Brown, born 1710, died 1770, Admin Chester, 1770.
James Brown, died 1751 aged 66?, of Cheadle
John Brown, born 1660, died 1728 of Cheadle
Thomas Brown, died abt 1692, of Cheadle Hulme, mentioned in "East Cheshire
- Vol 1.
John Browne, born 1610, died 1668, in will of Moss Side, Cheadle Hulme.
Thomas Browne, died 1633 aged 53?
Thomas Browne, died 1626 of Cheadle Hulme in the inventory of his goods.
John Browne, born 1530, died 1596, of Cheadle Hulme, yeoman.
7.4 JOHN
JONES
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Little is known of the Jones family: was Mary's 2nd name, Kitchen, to
differentiate from other Jones's?.
John put himself down as being born in Chester in 1806 in the census: there are
a number of John Jones’s in the records, but no reason to choose one – none of
the fathers have any related trade to a baker for instance. The nearest is a
shopkeeper in Hawarden.
John Jones, a Baker, dead by 1854 (Mary's Marriage cert.)
1841 Census, New Crane St, Chester:
John Jones (35, Baker, Y), Jane (40, N), William (12,Y), Rachel (10,Y), Mary
(8,Y), Helena (6,Y), John (4,Y).
1851 Census, New Crane St, Chester:
John Jones (45, Baker & Flower Dealer, Chester), Jane (48, Liverpool),
William W (22, Baker, Chester), Rachel (20 Milliner, Chester), Mary K (19,
Chester, Trinity), Helena (16, Dressmaker, Chester, Trinity), John (14,
scholar, Trinity).
1861 Census, Ash Grove, Chester:
George GH Brown's mother in law is called Ellen: this must be a mistake, all
other details are correct.
Ellen aged 60 with daughter & son in law.
1871 Census, New Crane St, Chester:
Jane Jones (Hd, W, 70, Retd Grocer, Liverpool), John (son, 34, Railway Clerk,
Chester), Ellen (dinL, 33 Chester), Hellena (Gdau, 11, scholar, Saltney), Annie
G. (Gdau, 9, Scholar, Saltney), Sarah (Gdau, 7, Saltney), Alice M (Gdau, 5,
Chester), Ada F (Gdau, 3, Chester), Minnie (Gdau, 2, Chester), Louisa I (Gdau,
7mths, Chester).
1881 Census for Jane aged 82, New Crane St with son John
Married: John Jones, of Holy Trinity, Chester, baker, 2/12/1827, Jane Winder,
Spinster, Liverpool at Our Lady & St Nicholas, by licence, witness Jos
Winder & Elizabeth Winder (probably Jane’s sister)FMP.
JANE
WINDER - 1800
born: 21/10/1800, ch 30/11/1800, Liverpool St PeterFMP
Parents: Edward & Elizabeth Winder, of Pitt St,
mariner,.
There are a number of others, mainly towards Lancaster, but this is the nearest
in age and location.
Issue (IGI & PR Holy Trinity, Chester, all of John Jones, Baker of Crane St
& Jane):
1/1. William Winder Jones, ch Chester 4/1/1829.
1/2. Rachel Jones, 24/10/1830, Chester,
witness at Mary's wedding.
1/3. Mary Kitchen Jones, born Chester 1831-2. ch
6/5/1832
1/4. Helena Jones, 23/3/1833
1/5. John Jones, 26/2/1837. Died by 1891.
1861 Census, Jones Rows, Saltney:
John Jones (24, Railway Clerk, Chester), Ellen (22, Chester), Helena (d, 11
mths, Saltney)
1871 Census:
Family with Jane, John's mother in New Crane St, Chester.
1881 Census, 39, New Crane St, Chester:
John Jones (43, Commercial Traveller, Tobacco, Chester), Ellen (43, Chester),
Helena (20, Hosier, Saltney), Annie (18, Milliner, Hawarden), Sarah G (16,
Milliner, Hawarden), Alice M (15, Milliner, Chester), Ada H, 13, scholar,
Chester), Louisa J (10, scholar), Maggie (9, scholar, Chester), Bertha (6,
scholar, Chester), Laura (4, scholar, Chester), Jane (Mother, 82, Liverpool).
Married Ellen
2/1. Helena Jones, b abt 4/1860, Saltney
Married William Jeffrey, Q4
1885, Chester
1891 Census, 9, Jubilee Terrace, Chester:
William Jeffrey (hd, 27, Clerk correspondent, Birmingham), Helena (29,
Chester), Harry (2, Chester)
1901, not found.
2/2. Annie G Jones, b abt 1862,
Saltney
2/3. Sarah Ellen Jones, b abt 1864, Saltney
Died Q3 1907, aged 42, Chester.
Married John Edmund Yellowley, Q3 1890 Chester.
1891 Census, Egerton St, Broughton, Chester:
John E Yellowley (25, Mechanical Draughtsman, Gateshead, Durham), Ellen Yellowley
(wife, 25, Saltney), Ellen (MinL, Wid, 51, Living on her means, Chester), Ada H
(sis, 21, Clerk), Chester), Louisa J (sis 18, Domestic, Chester), Bertha (sis,
16, Barmaid, Chester), Laura (13, Clerk, Chester).
1901 Census, 37 Lightport St, Hoole, Cheshire (all b Chester):
John Yellowley (35, Mechanical Engineering Worker, Gateshead), Sarah (wf, 36),
Ada (9), May (8), John (6), Edward (2), Louisa Jones (SinL, 29)
2/4. Alice M Jones, b abt 1866,
Chester
2/5. Ada H Jones, b abt 1868, Chester
2/6. Minnie Jones, b abt 1869, Chester
2/7. Louisa J. Jones, b abt 9/1870, Chester. unm 1901.
2/8. Maggie Jones, abt 1872.
2/9. Bertha, abt 1875.
2/10. Laura Jones, abt 1877.
Also issue of John & Jane
Jones, but they cannot be the same family.
Mary Ann Jones 20/11/1829, St John Baptist, Chester.
Jane Jones, 6/3/1832, St John Baptist, Chester.
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8.1 WILLIAM OWEN
- 1762
AC08/01
This is probably the correct Owen as the birth date of his son, Henry is
correct for his death, and son Thomas’s baptism record specifically give’s
Catherine as formerly Perry. The only marriage of William & Catherine was
the one in Llanrhaeardr. It is not surprising as Owen is a very Welsh name, and
Denbigh is not far from Liverpool, which would have been expanding rapidly at
this time. It is difficult to go further back on this line because of how
common the Owen name is.
Born & bap 10/3/1762, at Llanrhaeardr.
Son of William & Elinor, farmer of Cefneoch,
No relevant burials in this parish, so child must have seemed weakly as
baptised the same day, but probably survived.
Prob, married
CATHERINE PARRY
- 1764
(spelling dubious looks a bit like Pavry - in PR) 19/5/1786,
Llanrhaeadr-Nhg-Nghinmerch, Denbighshire. Bachelor & Spinster, OTP, both
made their mark.
Catherine, dau of Edward Parey of Rhiwlas, yeoman, by Anne
his wife, bap 19/11/1764. Llanrhaiadr,
Or dau of Edward Parry of Bryn Milan farmer, and Annr, ch 26/2/1760. Prob too
old.
Llanrhaiadr, a mile or 2 SE of Denbigh.
Issue of William & Catherine:
1/1. Henry Owen, b. 28/12/1788, bap 29/3/1789, St James ToxtethFMP
1/2. Owen Owen, b 5/9/1791, bap 25/9/1791, of Norfolk St, Liverpool St Peter
An Owen Owens was at 38 Shaw’s
Brow in Pigots, 1837.
1/3. William Owen, b 30/3/1793, bap 21/4/1793, of Norfolk
St.
1/4. John Owen, b 19/5/1795, bap 23/8/1795, Norfolk St
1/5. Jenny Owen, a Taylor, Norfolk St, b 10/3/1796, bap 11/6/1797, St James
1/6. Thomas, b 6/5/1799, bap 23/6/1799, of William Owens, Taylor and
Catherine, his wife, formerly
Catherine Perry. Liverpool St Thomas
A number in Kirkby, but, in particular, Elizabeth is too close to Henry.
E.G. Elizabeth Owen 10/4/1789, Kirkby.
Other Owens:
1841 Census, Byrom St:
559-20f5:Edward Owen (40 Cooper No), Elizabeth (40, No), Joseph (25, Cooper,
No).
559-20f7: Thomas Owen (30 Leather Dealer, Y) Margaret Owen (30 Y).
1841 Census: Great Crosshall St: see Quilliams.
1841 Census: Rupert St: Nil
1841 Census: Moffitt Place, Hill St: Nil.
1841 Census: Crosbie St: Nil.
1851 Census, Crown St:
2182f137: Henry Owen (37 Hd Licensed Victualler, Flintshire), Emma (22 sister,
Flint), Jane (19, sister, Flint), Elizabeth Wood (13 Niece).
1851 Census, Ashton St: Nil
1851 Census, Ray St: Nil.
1851 Census, Norfolk st: Nil.
Thomas Owen (1), Leather Dealer (1841):
1840, Byrom St. - 1845/50, Norfolk St.
Thomas Owen (2), freeman 1835 & 1850.
1835, 15 Leeds St?? - 1840/5, Rupert St - 1850/1, Ray St
8.2 WILLIAM HUNT
- 1757
KO-08/03
William Hunt, bapt Wm Hunt’s child Wm wit inter alia Eliz Rigby. 7 July 1757, Liverpool,
St Mary, Highfield Street, Roman Catholic.FMP
Parents:
Nearest marriage was William Hunt to Mary Tirer, Manchester, but probably
geographically too far.
Several William Hunts in the area born about 1730.
Probably the end of the line.
There are a number of wills listed in Lancs archives, eg:
William Hunt mariner of the Ship, Kingsmill, Liverpool, 11/2/1801.
But none with the right trade.
William Hunt married Alice Rigby, Walton on the Hill, Lancs 5/3/1781FMPt.
ALICE RIGBY - 1757
KO-08/04
Alice Rigby b. 4/2/1757, bap 20/2/1757FMP, of William Rigby, Cabinet
Maker, Liverpool Presbyterian.
Issue of William & Alice (Rigby) Hunt:
1/1. Alice Hunt b 11/8/1782, ch 25/8/1782, West Derby, married Henry
Owen.
1/2. Ann Hunt, b 13/7/1786, ch 30/7/1786, wheelwright of Webster st, ST
Nicholas, Liverpool
8.3
JAMES QUILLIAM - 1767
KO-08/05
Born: b. 4/1/1767 ch. 29/1/1767FMPi, Liverpool, St Peter,
Parents: William Quilliam Mariner, and probably Jane Sherlock.
The Trade Directories for Liverpool have been studied (7/1999), but more work
needs to be done.
In WQ 1799/1806, inherits Lawton St houses, Cooper, as exec.
James Quilliam died & bur St Nicholas, 18/10/1834, aged 66, of Gt Charlotte
St, same day – maybe the Cholera outbreak.
son William’s children were at Great Charlotte St in 1841, so it is logical
that this was their grandfather.
His will dated 16/10/1834, probated 3/12/1835, confirmed died 18/10/1834
Gent of Liverpool.
Appointed John Serjeant executor, window Blind manufacturer
Left estate divided 4 ways between
Son James Quilliam,
Daughter Jane, wife of John Serjeant, for her own use
Children of late son William.
Children of late son John.
1803 Gores: a cooper of Ryley Garden, Tempest Hey.
1810-21 Gores: a cooper & flour dealer of 10, Pall Mall.
1827, a cooper of 31 Lawton St.
Married: James Quilliam & Elizabeth Brown, spinster, both OTP, he a cooper
21/8/1791FMPi St Nicholas PR.
ELIZABETH BROWN
- 1766
Elizabeth Brown b 23/5/1766, ch 10/6/1766FMPi, St Peter, of Henry,
Watchmaker.
Elizabeth Quilliam bur 4/4/1823FMPi, St Nicholas, Liverpool, aged
57, of Pall Mall.
1/1. William Quilliam, (“cooper, late of Liverpool” WQ 1835 will).
B abt 1792.
He predeceased uncle William by a few weeks.
William Quilliam, 1834, collector of Tolls
Died 18/7/1833, aged 41 of Great Charlotte St.
Wife Sarah, exec.
Houses in Rose Court, Rose Place, Liverpool
All 6 children are in both the wills of WQ1835 and their father WQ1834.
2/1. William Quilliam
2/2. Elizabeth – married Henry
Owen
2/3. James Quilliam,
2/4. John Quilliam,
2/5. Richard Giles Quilliam
2/6. Sarah Quilliam
1/2. John Quilliam
B, 29/9/1797, ch Liverpool St
Thomas, 5/11/1797
Son of James Quilliam, Cooper & Elizabeth formerly Brown.
Bur John, son of John?? & Elizabeth Quilliam, Cooper of Riley Garden,
29/9/1798ACi, Parcenial Chapel, Liverpool.
Jane Quilliam, mother of father James, was “of Riley Gardens” at burial.
1/3. John Sherlock Quilliam, b 5/9/1800, ch 5/10/1800ACi,
son of James Quilliam &
Elizabeth Brown, St Thomas, a Cooper.
John Quilliam bur 18/9/1825FMPi, aged 26, of Lawton St.
In spite of small age difference at death, must be the same one as a Cooper.
Betsey and Jane are mentioned in William Quilliam’s 1835 will where their
deceased father was a plumber and glazier.
1824 plumber & glazier 29 Williamson St, h. 13 Lawton St (Baines).
1823-25: plumber of 29 Williamson St.
John Sherlock Quilliam m Ann Till, St Anne’s Liverpool 14/12/1819ACi,
by banns, both OTP.
Ann married John Joynson, St Paul, Liverpool 21/1/1828ACt.
This is the spelling in the census and PR, but may have become Johnson.
1841 Census, Liverpool:
Ann Joynson (42, Publican), Jane Quilliam (27, Ind, age must be a mistake)
1851 Census, Toxteth Park, all b Liverpool:
Ann Joynson (hd, wid, 51, shop keeper, Wigan), Ellen (22, Shop keeper), Mary
Till Heron (niece, 14, scholar), James Dickenson (S-in-L, foundry labourer),
Jane (wife of JD, 26), Elizabeth D ((6, scholar), Frances Aurelia D (4,
scholar), John D (2)
2/1. Jane Sherlock Quilliam, ch
St Peter, Liverpool, 23/4/1820FMPt.
Jane Sherlock Quilliam, bur aged
3 May 7 1823FMPt of Lawton St.
2/2. Elizabeth (Betsey) Sherlock
Quilliam, ch Liverpool St Peter
22/1/1822ACt
2/3. Jane Quilliam, ch St Peter, 29/12/1823FMPi,
of Lawton St,
Plumber & Glazier
Married James Dickenson, 1843 Q4, Liverpool.
3/1. Elizabeth Dickenson, b abt 1845
3/2. Frances Aurelia Dickenson, abt 1847
3/3. John Dickenson abt 1849.
2/4. John Sherlock Quilliam, ch
14/2/1826, St Peter, Liverpool.
Bur 26/8/1826ACi,
aged 6 months of Lawton St. John, a Plumber & Glazier.
1/4. Jane Quilliam, b 5/3/1805FMPi, ch 31/3/1805,
St Thomas Liverpool, cooper.
She married 12/1/1825FMPi,
St Thomas Liverpool John Joseph Sergeant, merchant’s Clerk, both OTP.
2/1. Edward Thomas Serjeant, ch 20/6/1827, St Peter, Liverpool,
father of Lambert St, Book keeper
2/2. Mary Serjeant, ch 8/6/1830,
as for Edward.
Buried Everton, non conformist,
22/11/1831FMPi.
2/3. Thomas Serjeant ch 8/2/1837,
as for Edward.
1/5. James Quilliam, ch 8/11/1795FMPi, of James
& Elizabeth Brown,
cooper, St Thomas.
Bur 22/12/1839FMPi, age 42 of Rose Place.
This is linked by Rose Place, in WQ will, 1833 to the sail-maker: his wife
Elizabeth was at Rose place in 1841 with Newport Voyce, who she married soon
afterwards.
1821 Gores: James Quilliam of 12, Pall Mall, a sail-maker (PR) & flour
dealer.
1823-25 Gores: sail-maker of 56, Sawney Pope St.
1832: Pool Book, sail-maker, Hill St Copperas Hill, Burgess & Freeman.
1832 Elector: James Quilliam, 9, Moffitts Place, Hill St, Coppelars Hill.
James Quilliam m Elizabeth Styles 15/7/1821FMPi, St Anne Liverpool,
both OTP, Sail-maker.
She died as Elizabeth Voyce, 1880, Q4, West Derby.
Issue of James & Elizabeth (St Peters, Sail-maker):
2/1. James (27/1/1822 of Pall Mall, Sail-maker),
James Quilliam, bachelor,
sail-maker, of Burlington St, father James Q, sailmaker, married Margaret
Price spinster of Portland St, father Richard Price, ships carpenter,
21/2/1846, St Martin in the Fields, Liverpool.
1851 Census, Ct 2 Wright St, Toxteth Park, Liverpool:
James Quilliam (28, Sail-maker, Liverpool), Margaret (25, Liverpool), Samson
(5, Liverpool), Robert (2, Liverpool), Richard (7mths, Toxteth Park).
3/1. Samson Quilliam, b abt 1846
3/2. Robert Quilliam, b abt 1849
3/3. Richard Quilliam, b abt 1850.
2/2. John (18/9/1826FMPi
St P. of Sawney Pope)
2/3. William St. Peter’s, Liverpool, 26/1/1829FMPi (Layton St).
William Quilliam married as a
bachelor, Leonor Christian Warham, 18/4/1852ACt, St Peter Liverpool,
his father James, hers William.
A discrepancy in age here, but maybe a late baptism.
1871 Census, 14 Holford St, Everton: William Q (Hd, 44, sailmaker), Leanora
(wf, 44), Catherine (dau, 16, dressmaker), William W (s, 13, office boy),
Elizabeth Voyce (wid, 75, mother), Thomas N Voyce (stepbrother, Joiner). All b
Liverpool.
1872&3 Gores: William Q, sail-maker, 14 Holford St, Everton.
1881 Census: William Q, sail-maker, 54, Everton
3/1. Catherine Quilliam, M
Thomas Smeddles, both wids, 27/1/1909.
Catherine b abt 1855, ch 9/4/1855
Liverpool: she and Thomas landed at Tilbury from Australia in 1911. They sailed
from Liverpool for the Cape & Australia, 17/11/1910, he a joiner. She died
about 1924
3/2. William W Quilliam
2/5. Jane Quilliam, bap
11/11/1833, St Peter, of Hill St, sail-maker.
2/4. Robert Quilliam, ch 18/4/1836, (Wash Grove).
NEWPORT VOYCE
No trace was found of marriage of Newport Voyce & Elizabeth Quilliam in
1837-48, but several Voyce's married in the period in Manchester. The presence
of the Quilliam children confirms the connection
IGI Newport Urmson Voyce, ch 5/6/1807, St Nic Liverpool, of Thomas &
Catherine.
1848 & 9 Gores: Newport Urmson Voyce, pilot, 14 Oswald St. (also Peter, 37
Standish St)
1841 Census, Rose Place, Rose Garden,
Newport Voyce (30, unreadable, Y), Elizabeth Quilliam (30, Y), William (12, Y),
Robert (4, Y)
1851 Census: Baines Court, Shaws Brow (see Henry Owen's list of mills)
Newport Voyce (46, mariner, Liverpool) Elizabeth Voyce (48, Liverpool), William
Quilliam (stepson, 25, sailmaker, Liverpool), Thomas Voyce (son, 3, Liverpool)
1861, 36, Circus St, Liverpool, all b Liverpool:
Newport Voyce (56, Seaman, merch), Elizabeth (wife, 62), Thomas A (son, 13,
warehouse boy)
The following was supplied by Email from Mike Wild Oct 2004., great grandson
of Thomas Newport Voyce.
1/1. Thomas Newport Voyce, b abt 1848, Liverpool.
m. 1875 Everton Emmanuel,
Liverpool Charlotte Durrans – b. 1852, Huddersfield
2/1. Thomas Voyce, b 23/1/1884, d. 6/3/1936.
I also believe that he was a
joiner as was his son, my grandfather Thomas Voyce (b 23-1-1884) whose
indentures I possess - who, as a master carpenter worked on the Screen of the
Anglican Cathedral in Liverpool. I also have some of his tools. He enlisted
18-1-16, served in France, survived and died of cancer 6-3-36.
Thomas R(?)
b. 23-1-1884
7 year apprenticeship as carpenter began 20-01-1898
enlisted Royal Engineers 18-01-16 Demobbed 23-02-19 d. 06-03-36 (lung
cancer)
married 4-10-1908
Alice Carr b. 20-10-1887
daughter of John Parsonage Carr, coachman (b 1837) & Sarah Ann Hirst,
baker (b1839) 68 Sedley St. Liverpool
3/1. Elsie Charlotte, n 11/10/1914, M 1946, William Arthur Wild.
B 19/4/1912, Chartered Secretary
& Mineral Water Manufacturer, son of…*William Thomas Wild b 1879.
4/1. Michael John Wild, see below.
married to Judy Gardner, b. Kuala
Lumpur 11-01-58, daughter of James Gardner (d), Rubber Planter and Freeman of
Lancaster.
Currently living in Cheltenham (2004).
5/1. Leyna Marie b. 22-12-1982
5/2. Alexander , b 20-07-1986
4/2. Andrew Thomas Wid, b
22/12/1946, married Denise Higham,
Of Citheroe,
5/1. Amy Higham, b abt 1987
5/2. Emma Higham, b abt 1992
2/2. Jepson Newport Voyce, b
1878. M Adelaide.
3/1. Alfred Voyce, m. Marion
Hampson, 1938. B LPL 1/3/1916
marriage did not last. Marion
later lived with (we always thought married but it turned out not!) Cornelius
GRICE and the VOYCE children took his surname. (ref Victoria Grice, 2/05)
2/3. Clara Voyce, b 1880.
2/4. Whitson Voyce.
William Thomas Wild b 1879.
Interesting man. Born into dire poverty (or so the story goes) the son of
William Wild – there’s a verbal history (?) that he was a cousin to Jimmy Wilde
the Welsh World champion boxer (?) - & Emily Puddeford (?) [supposedly
Spanish albeit 1881 census has her as being born in Middlesex] . Was Matron of
an Asylum (?)
Five children – first 3 born in Liverpool area.
Went to work in mill at 12 (?). Started lending pennies and halfpennies to
fellow workers. Built up enough capital to buy some goods from Manchester Docks
and sold them at market… Eventually bought the mill! Somehow managed to avoid
WW1 !!!
Was Liberal Councillor for Heywood, Lancs for many years. Father of council.
Twice declined Mayorship.
During WW2 was unofficial cotton Industry Ombudsman to Government.
Bought Soft Drinks Company – Wild Brothers – and several other businesses.
Once declined approach by man called Smith to finance a business deep frying
thin slices of potato !!!!
8.4 GEORGE
BLAYMIRE
AC08/11
There is no real evidence of the origin of George Blaymire,
except for the birth records of his children in Derbyshire, where he was a
frame knitter. His daughter Martha’s census records confirm that this was the
correct family.
Rev Hargreaves Mawdesley report in 1924 has the Blaymire
family moving from Clifton/Regill (or Rosegill), Westmoreland where they had
been for upwards of 200 years and being settled near Manchester latter half
18thC. Clifton is about 3 miles south of Penrith. Shap is a further 10 miles
south. However, there seems no obvious connection between the Westmoreland
Blaymires and the Frame knitter of Derbyshire, particularly as that trade would
have been a relatively lowly one, not from a family who had travelled.
A likely scenario is that George Blaymire moved away from Ockbrook after
his wife’s death in 1790, into Manchester.
There were a lot of Blaymires in Bradford, but seem to have been
contemporary with the Ockbrook family and no earlier.
There is a Moravian school at Ockbrook, established in 1799.
George Blaymire Married Martha Hemsley, Ockbrook, 9/8/1779,
by banns, both OTP, signed.
MARTHA HEMSLEY
AC08/12
This looks a bit old, but the location is correct, and age
at death correct.
Ch: Church Wilne, Derbyshire, 15/9/1749FMP
Parents: Thomas & Mary Hemsley.
Died, 30/12/1790, buried Ockbrook (Moravian), 2/1/1791, (born Sept 23 1749 at
Wilne, Derbyshire), married 41st year of her age.
There is no marriages found for Thomas & Mary Hemsley anywhere near
Ockbrook.
There were Hemsleys in Northumberland, but there is no evidence of any
connection.
Church Wilne next parish SE of Ockbrook.
Issue of Geo & Martha, United Brethren Congregation, (Moravian) Ockbrook,
Derby (Ockbrook between Derby & Long Eaton), George a Frame knitter in all
entries.
1/1. Mary Blaymire, b 1/5/1780, ch 4/5/1780. Died 29/3/1781, bur 1/4/1781AC.
1/2. Elizabeth Blaymire, b 15/8/1782, ch 18/8/1782.
1/3. George Blaymire, b 15/6/1785, ch 26/6/1785.
Died 1/4/1789, bur Ockbrook,
5/4/1789, child of Geo, born Ockbrook 15/6/1785.
May have had issue Sarah, Elizabeth & George, alive about 1875 near
Manchester.
1861 Census, Springfield, Crumpsall, Manchester:
Henry Blaymire (50, Manager of Cotton Works, Manch.), Sarah (50, nurse, Manch),
Sarah (24, dressmaker, Manch), Annie (14, Ashton), Mary (16, Manch), George
(11, scholar, Bradford), Elizabeth Summerfield (dau, 24, Nurse, Manch).
1871 Census, 88, Mill St, Bradford:
Sarah Blaymire (Hd, Wid, 59, Beerhouse Keeper, Manch), George E Ballard (g/son,
2, Bradford)
Henry Blamire ch 5/10/1818, Lancaster of George & Keziah.
Death Index: 1866/3 Henry BLAYMIRE 55 Manchester 8d 260 1866
1/4. Henry Blaymire of G&M, Ockbrook, b 07/10/1787, ch
15/10/1787
1/5. Martha Blaymire, B. 03/7/1789, Ch: 08/7/1789, married Elisha Brown.
United Brethren were also Moravian. A Moravian school was founded in Ockbrook
in 1799. The Moravians were established at Ockbrook 1750.
8.5 EDWARD WINDER
Edward Winder ch Lancaster, 1775 & 1776 - possibility.
Married 1st: Edward Winder, mariner, married Elizabeth Sanderson,
widow, St Annes, Liverpool 23/1/1800. Her maiden name was Elizabeth Young, as
shown in several of their children’s baptisms.
Married 2nd: Edward Winder, mariner, Margaret Ford, spinster, both
of Liverpool, 16/10/1810, St Anne’s, by bannsAC.
B abt 1764
Elizabeth Winder died 29/10/1809, wife of Edward, mariner, bur 1/11/1809, St
James Toxteth, age 45, childbedFMP, Pitt St.
The nearest Elizabeth Young ch Childwall (Liverpool) 10/10/1762 of Edward Young
Also Elizabeth Young, dau of William & Mary, ch Childwall, born August
16/1767, Toxteth Park.
Issue of Edward & Elizabeth Winder:
1/1. Jane Winder, b 21/10/1800, Liverpool
1/2. Mary Ann Winder, ch 25/9/1803 of Edward Winder and Elizabeth Young, St
Peters.
1/3. Edward Winder, b 1/6/1805, ch 30/6/1805 of Edward, Mariner, and Betty
formerly Young, Crosbie St.
1/4. Elizabeth Winder, b 5/8/1809, ch 10/9/1809, of mariner of Burndale St??
Issue of Edward & Margaret Winder:
Ann Winder, b 9/8/1811, ch 13/8/1811, of Edward Winder, mariner and Margaret
Ford, his wife, of Burndett St.
Married 1st: Elizabeth Young, spinster, to Joseph Sanderson,
mariner, 6/6/1790, both of Liverpool, by licence, St Peter’s Liverpool.
Joseph Sanderson, son of Joseph & Elizabeth Sanderson, mariner, Ch.
2/10/1791, Liverpool St Peter, died 16/9, bur 18/9/1794 aged 3.
John Sanderson ch 15/3/1795 of Joseph and Elizabeth
No suitable burial for Joseph Sanderson, snr. As a mariner, maybe died at sea.
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9.1 WILLIAM RIGBY
KO-09/07
Probable:
William Rigby, son of Edwd Rigby, “dier”, bap at his hm. 21/2/1728, Manchester
A sister: May 1726, dau of Edw Rigby.
A number of Edward Rigby’s, but no reason to chose one or the other.
William Rigby Married Alice Bootle, 29/7/1750, cabinet maker, St Nicholas,
Liverpool.
ALICE BOOTLE -
1725
Issue of William (& Alice) Rigby:
It looks as though there were 2 William Rigby’s breeding in Liverpool in the
1750’s. ours was a cabinet maker, and a Presbyterian, these 3 at Liverpool
Presbyterians:
1/3. Alice Rigby b. 4/2/1757, bap 20/2/1757, of William Rigby, Cabinet
Maker
1/2. Lewis Rigby, b 13/8/1759, ch 27/8/1759, cabinet maker
1/3. George Rigby, b 8/1761, of William, Cabinet Maker
There was also a William Rigby, ironmonger at the same time, there is a
possible sequence from his father, Edmund, also an ironmonger.[32]
They may have been from Layton Hall, Blackpool[33].
Issue of Robert Bootle, all Liverpool, no marriage for Robert Bootle
found:
1/1. Elizabeth Bootle, b 31/5/1719, ch 10/6/1719, Sailor of Moorfields,
Our Lady & St Nicholas.
1/2. Ellen Bootle, b 3/5/1721 ch 10/5/1721 Labourer of
Moorfields,
Our Lady & St Nicholas.
1/3. Alice Bootle, b 20/11/1725, bap 29/11/1725 of
Dale Str. St Peter’s.
1/4. Margery Bootle, b 21/6/1728, ch 30/6/1728, St Peter, Labourer.
9.2 WILLIAM QUILLIAM
KO-09/09
Died 31/3/1806, from will, but burial not found.
Probate 27/7/1806 exec to James Quilliam, Date 28/5/1799, William Quilliam of Liverpool,
ship-keeper,
Refers to a deed of gift 29/3 last, given to his son William Quilliam for
houses on the SW side of Park Lane, Liverpool. He confirmed his gift of houses
in Park Lane to his son William, which involved a bond for £30 in 1796. He left
the Lawton St property to his other son, James Quilliam, a cooper of Liverpool.
The Park Lane & Lawton St properties enable the identification of his sons
and their descendants.
His origins are not known, but there were several Quilliams born in Liverpool
in the 1740’s, children of William Quilliam, a sailor, listed below; the 1740’s
issue may have been of his father. If they are all the same family, it is
likely that they were of more than one wife, a “breeding span” from 1740-1770
seems too long and there was what might have been a 2nd marriage:
There seems to be a gap in the St Peter’s parish BMD records between about 1756
& 1765, when they are not on the databases, and no images seem to be
available, although I must have seen some at some stage, probably in Liverpool
Library to have the entry for James Sherlicker Quilliam in 1757.
1790 Gore: a warehouseman, 11 Crosbie St, Park Lane.
1794 Gore: A victualler, 11 Crosbie St. Remained at this address, later also a
carpenter until 1818.
1795: Shipwright of Crosbie St. (son's birth)
1798; Land Tax Redemption, 1798, William Quilliam, tenant, Crosbie St
(Proprietor uncertain), 2/8d tax assessed.
William Quilliam married Jane Sherlocker, 5/8/1751,
spinster, St Thomas.
This is very likely to have been the correct one, not only with son James born
in 1757, but also a grandson, John Sherlock Quilliam.
JANE SHERLOCK
Jane Shurlicker b. 29/8/1728, ch 25/8/1728ACi,
father James, Sailor of Fazacks St.
Jane was buried, at Liverpool St Nicholas, 23/8/1794ACi, Wife of
William Q of Rileys Garden, Nurseries, formerly Sherlock, aged 66.
1/1. James Sherlicker Quillian(m) (1/5/1757FMPi, Liverpool St Peter,
born 13/4/1757 of William Q),
sailor of Lawton St, also on Lancs database.
Probably buried 20/12/1759, Liverpool BT’s, father William.
1/2. William Quilliam, Will 1833/35, shipwright, of Crosbie St
Born 4/10/1759, ch 14/10/59, St
Peter, LiverpoolFMP,
Parents: William Quilliam. (PR Spelling Guilliam) a sailor.
In WQ1799/1806, inherited Park Lane houses from his father William.
Died 30/7, Bur 2/8/1833, aged 74, @ Liverpool St Peter. B abt 1759.
On Tuesday last... same day at his house in Crosbie Street, Liverpool, Mr
William Quilliam, aged 74 years[34].
In his will dated 29/7/1833,
he left his leasehold property in Park Lane to the son of his nephew William
Quilliam, late of Liverpool, naming all 6 of the late William’s children.
He left a portion to Elizabeth (Betsey) & Jane, daughters of his late
nephew John Quilliam, plumber and glazier.
He left his wife Mary his residual estate for life.
William Quilliam was originally thought to be the direct ancestor of our
Quilliam line, but his son died too soon! He married Agnes Branthwaite in
Ulverston when he was a ship carpenter of Liverpool: when his son was born he
was living at Crosbie St, Liverpool, and had become a shipwright (a higher
trade than a carpenter). A William Quilliam (or several Williams) were listed
in the Trade directories in Crosbie St (8 & 11) between 1790 and 1832, with
trades of victualler, shipwright, carpenter and gentleman. It seems likely that
these are all the same person, with a variety of trades.
After 1832, a Mary Quilliam is listed in Crosbie St (notably at no 8, where
William had previously been). She was William's 2nd wife after Agnes
had died in 1795? She was named in William’s will, but there were no children
in the will.
1801: William Quilliam, at Crosbie St, Liverpool, 2 males, 3 female, 1 in
trade.
1823 Gore: A gent.
1824, Pigots & Baines: William Quilliam, 8 Crosbie St.
1829 Gore & 32, a shipwright of Crosbie St.
1832: William Quilliam, a freeman at 8 Crosbie St.
1832: poll book, shipwright of Crosbie St, voted E&S, Burgess &
freeman.
1835/7/9/41: Mary Quilliam of 8, Crosbie St & 15, Crosbie St.
Married 2nd: Mary Hodson, St Thomas, Liverpool, 18/2/1797, he a
widower, shipwright, she a spinster, both of Liverpool. Both over 21.
No further issue have been found by Mary.
Mary buried 27/5/1841FMPi, Liverpool, St John, aged 74 of Crosbie
St, b abt 1767.
Mary Hodson born 9/5/1767, ch Liverpool St Nicholas, 28/5/1767FMPi,
father John Hodson, a Slater of Castle Hay.
Married 1st: 19/4/1791, Ulverston, Lancs (confirmed by son's birth).
PR: William Quilliam, ship carpenter of Liverpool, Agnes Branthwaite, spinster
of Ulverston.
Agnes Branthwaite:
Christened: 6/4/1770FMPt, Ulverston, Lancashire (agrees with age at
death).
Parents: John & Elizabeth (Cowpland)
Branthwaite.
Died: 21/11/1795ACi, bur 23rd, age 26 wife of William
Quilliam, shipwright of Crosbie St, formerly Branthwaite, probably in
childbirth.
Issue of William & Agnes Quilliam:
2/1. William Branthwaite Quilliam
ch 23/11/1795, St Nicholas,
Liverpool, Born 29/10/1795 of William of Crosbie St, shipwright, and Agnes, his
deceased wife. Said to have been married in Ulverston.
On 7th inst (Feb 1819) aged 23, Mr William Branthwaite Quilliam, son of
William Quilliam of Liverpool[35].
1/3. Jane Quilliam, b 26/12/1763, ch 10/1/1764, William,
Sailor. NFI.
1/4. James Quilliam, b. 4/1/1767, ch 29/1/1767, a mariner.
1/5. Thomas Quilliam b 28/11/1769, ch 10/12/1769, St Peters, a mariner.
Either 1st wife, or an earlier generation:-
St Peter Ch start 1737-1754, then Bur 1737-
1/1. William Quilliam issue at St Peter.
Mary Quilliam born 19/1/1743-4ACi, ch 12/2/1743-4, sailor.
Mary Quilliam, dau of William of Thomas St, sailor, 12/3/1746-7 St Nick.
Bettey Quilliam b 15/6/1741, ch 5/7/1741, sailor
Jane Quilliams b 1/9/1746, ch 21/9/1746, of Thomas St, Sailor.
Mary Quilliams b 7/9/1750, ch 28/9/1750, of Thomas St, mariner.
William Q, bur Liverpool St Peter, 23/11/1756, charity boy.
9.3 THOMAS
HEMSLEY
AC09/23
IGI:
William Hemsley, ch abt 1661 of Acombe.
William Hemsley M Annam (or Annason) Smith, Lee St J, 30/11/1686.
Thomas Hemsley, ch 4/12/1701, Lee St J, of William & Annason Smith.
Issue of Gulielmi
George 8/10/1690, Wm
Mary 4/5/1693, Wm
Elizabeth 22/5/1696, Wm
Henry 1/12/1698, Wm
Thomas 4/12/1701, Gulielmi
Thomas Hemsley M Mariam (or Mary) Hall, 16/8/1710, Lee.
Thomas Hemsley ch 23/8/1713 Lee of Thomoe Hemsley (PR film, other shows Marion
Hall).
Issue of Thomas (& Mariam), Lee St John:
Thomas 23/8/1713, Thomoe only
Guliemus 21/10/1716, Thomoe only
Maria 3/3/1719, Thomoe only
Anna 21/6/1724, Thomoe only
Only marriage for Thomas & Mary (Reed) Hemsley on IGI
24/6/1740, Warden Northumberland. Warden is just north of Hexham.
IGI has no issue of Thomas & Mary Hemsley in Derby or Northumberland except
Martha in the relevant period. There is issue of Thomas (no wife given) in St
John Lee (close to Warden) whose dates leave a gap in an otherwise even
sequence for Martha in 1749. There are also children of Thomas and Mary
Helmsley in Leicestershire after 1749.
George & Martha Blaymire's children being christened in the United Brethren
Congregation implies that they were non conformists and may have had unusually
wide contacts with other areas of the country.
Issue of Thomas & Mary He(l)msley:
Martha Hemsley Church Wilne, Derbyshire, 15/9/1749
Issue of Thomas Hemsley, Lee Saint John, Northumberland:
St John Lee part of Acomb, 3 miles NW of Hexham and next to Warden.
1/1. Catherine Hemsley 9/4/1741.
1/2. Ann Hemsley, 20/1/1742.
1/3. William Hemsley, 14/4/1745.
Note "gap" in sequence here! Maybe Martha fits here.
1/4. Ann Hemsley, 10/2/1753
1/5. Alice Hemsley, 28/5/1756
1/6. William Hemsley, 3/12/1758
Issue of Thomas & Mary (Holton) Helmsley, m Grimston 11/2/1752.
1/1. Anthony Helmsley, 1/3/1757, Grimston, Leicester
1/2. Thos Hemsley 9/3/1755
1/3. John Hemsley 6/5/1758
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10.1 JAMES
SHERLOCK
James Shurlicker ch St Nicholas, Liverpool, 1/1/1702FPt,
father Samuel.
Nothing further on Samuel.
James Shorlecor, sailor, married Sicly Jump, spinster, 28/9/1722FMPi,
St Peter, Liverpool.
Issue of James:
1/1. Jane b. 14/8/1723, ch 20/8/1723, bur 2/3/1725-6FMPi, of Moor
St, Sailor.
1/2. Anne, b. 3/7/1726, ch 10/7/1726FMPi, St Nick, of Moor St,
Sailor
1/3. Jane Shurlicker b. 29/8/1728, ch 25/8/1728ACi, Sailor of
Fazacks St.
These are copies of a collection of papers amassed by Daphne
(Smith) Lowe, g/grand daughter of GJH Brown.
Most of this has been incorporated in the main text.
(must have been William Ernest Brown, born 1885)
MAJOR W.E.BROWN. 29/11/17
During the attack on Bourlon Wood 23/25 Nov. 1917, this
officer was in command of the Left. Owing to the very severe nature of the
fighting and the swaying of the Line, it was necessary to attack frequently.
Major Brown on each occasion gallantly led then men and after each attack. When
almost all the officers had become casualties, moved about from place to place
reorganising the Line regardless of heavy fire. He was badly wounded on the
night of Nov. 24th but remained on duty throughout the night. His skill,
endurance and personal bravery set a fine example to all ranks and inspired
them with confidence.
WEB wrote extensive war diaries, which were given to DL by
his office about 1980, which she entrusted to the Army.
(William Elisha Brown, born 1855)
St Oswald's Mount, Parkgate Rd, Chester.
To Mrs E.R. Hawkins, 11 Bath St, Chester.
24 July 1924.
Dear Cousin Edie,
I have taken a big piece of paper because what I want to
write will not
go on one piece of notepaper and, as what I am about to tell
you is somewhat historical and not obtainable from any other person, you may
think it advisable not to burn this letter in case it interests or amuses the
younger generation. After all this preamble, it is time to say I am pleased
that at least one member of the Brown family takes an interest in the
"Family Tree" and I am pleased give all the information I can in
reply to your note of yesterday's date. There is not much to tell in the way of
fact but later on I will refer to a little romance which might do to base a
novel on and may interest your two daughters, who, by the way, are so grown up
and seldom met with that I shall need to be reintroduced to them. I fear I pass
them in the street quite innocently. I am a long time getting to the family
tree. It must be fully half a century ago when I thought I would make a family
tree but I could not make much of it, our good old Aunt Mary and a few books
being the only sources available. I asked the good Aunt what her Grandfather's
Christian name was and she said "John" and no more. This shows where
your respected Dad got his "John" from and his son John had a son
named William (or the one we are interested in) was Elisha Brown apprenticed to
a firm of watchmakers (I have the name of the firm somewhere) in Coventry. He
was admitted a Freeman of Coventry 25th June 1816 but was then, I believe
living at Warrington. He married, most probably, in 1820, Martha Blaymire whose
father I have reason to believe was George.
That is all I know. I have a "sampler" she worked
at the age of 10 and a cotton reel pincushion sort of thing her husband (or was
it her young man?) gave her and perhaps also made. To go back to William Brown,
named above (grandfather's father) I have a Bible printed in 1648 and given to
him by Elizabeth Kingston 1796. It had formerly belonged to some person living
in Coventry. I have also two books in which William Brown put his name in Old
English lettering one is dated "2 month 7 day 1784". It is clear that
our respected grandfather was at one time in business at Macclesfield. I never
knew much of the grandmother's people. Her brother's children (Blaymires)
cousins to your Dad and mine, lived near Manchester and I spent a Christmas
with them about 1875. They were then all elderly. Sarah and Elizabeth and their
brother George. All dead long ago.
Now for the promised "romance". From a boy I was
struck with your Dad's name "Helmsley" and wondered what such a funny
name could mean. I asked the good Aunt Mary but she only said it referred in
some way to Lord Helmsley and made light of it. Later on I began to think that
there must be something to make a very staid couple christen their son by that
name. Well, some years ago, Etty and I were wandering about Yorkshire and
decided to go to Helmsley which is a very pleasant village 31 1/2 miles north
of York. We put up at a house in the centre of the village and one morning my
better half told the lady of the house that I was looking for ancestors.
Dreadful wasn't it? I told the lady I had an uncle "Helmsley" and the
family name was Brown. She had lived in the village all her life and when she
was a young girl her grandmother used to tell her of a village girl the
miller's daughter who became the wife of Lord Helmsley. This may be absolutely
untrue so don't let anyone place the least reliance on it and if it is true we
cannot prove it concerns us. In the churchyard there is a very large gravestone
and not a letter or figure on it. My informant said it is the grave of the
miller's daughter's family. The only thing is the absence of any names or date
on the stone. There is no more to be said that I am aware of, but if Cousin
Minnie finds out anything of interest I should like to know. Our ancestors seem
to have been respectable good-living folk and that is something to be proud of.
I sometimes tell ancestor hunters that if they go far enough back they will
find one was hung!
I have a record, kept very dark of course, of the dates when
your Uncle and Aunts (Browns) were born and when your dear Dad's children were
born too but that is another tale. Etty keeps very well indeed. Connie looks
after us and is quite well. Last week we spent a few days with Maggie who has a
nice home and two dear little boys (6 and 4) at St Asaph. Ernest has had a bad
time but is picking up. He took us for a long drive in his car last Saturday.
If Gertie, Minnie or Ada met me I don't think we we should
know one another such is the effect of time and distance. Please convey to your
sisters our very cordial greetings. Our very kind regards to your two daughters
and yourself.
In case someone says who was "cousin Will", I sign
myself, Yours sincerely, Wm. E. Brown.
Miss Enid Hawkins, 52 London Rd, Guildford.
14 January 1960.
(Senders address unreadable, except tel. at Bedgelert (N
Wales).)
My Dear Enid,
Many thanks for yours of the 10th and for great-uncle
William's interesting letter. I had not seen it before though I have several
notes extracted from it by Aunt Edie. I made a copy and send back the original
herewith. It is all most interesting and the only trouble is to believe about
the romance which he quotes since somebody, I forget who, made a definite
statement to my mother which I have since confirmed that this same Lord Helmsley's
name was Brown and that a not so distant ancestor of his being a Mr Brown, a
merchant of London, had married the heiress to the house of Duncombe of
Helmsley and had changed the name from Brown to Duncombe in the late 17th
Century. This Mr Brown was of the family of Brown of Upton from which our
Browns of Cheadle were reputed to have descended and the source was that, just
at the time Mr Duncombe was raised to the peerage with the title of Helmsley,
our grandfather was born and the name Helmsley, I imagine, reminded
great-grandfather of the reputed descent from the same family. An interesting
sideline on that is that I have from grandfather's papers two prints of a
portrait of this Mr. Duncombe, which evidently he had got out from someone and
preserved and that they were deemed to be like Uncle Herbert, whose photograph
you kindly sent me last month. I will have a photograph taken of one of these
prints and send it to you.
I am sorry that Joan found the good Mrs. Crunkhorn rather in
the way. She is a very kindly person but only goes now to see mother and sort
her accounts once a month since her husband was posted from London to
Manchester, which may account for her having been rather agitated.
I am glad your snow has gone. Ours is still faintly powdering
the mountains but has come no nearer and, in fact, it continues to be
positively mild here. My love to Joan. Kathleen is well and cheerful and quite
looking forward to three days in London for the famous birthday and sends her
love to you both.
Yours affectionately,
Pp W. Twiston Davies.
31.10.24 80, Pembroke Road,
Clifton,
Bristol.
Dear Madam,
I have today forwarded reports on:
(1) The Ancestry of Elisha Brown.
(2) The Blaymire Family.
(3) The Brown-Helmsley Connection.
And I trust that the results of my investigations will prove
satisfactory to you.
There is one point in regard to the Brown family to which
I wish to call attention, and that is my description of William, father of
Elisha, as "of Cheadle". I did this as he was granted certain
hereditaments there by his father, John, during his lifetime, but whether he
actually resided there I am uncertain, for his son certainly did not do so at
any time. Although a small point, I considered it worth mentioning.
There will probably be many questions which you will
wish to ask me in regard to my notes, and I shall have much pleasure in
answering them to the best of my ability, at your intimation.
Very faithfully yours,
R. Hargreaves-Mawdsley.
Mrs W.L. Davies.
P.S. I should like to add that it would be possible to draw
up the descent of Elisha Brown, giving full details in regard to all members of
the family, on best paper, silk bound, for a fee of fifteen guineas inclusive,
should you require such a descent at any time.
(typed copy found)
This tradition is very puzzling, but the following may
explain the use of the baptismal name of Hemsley, which it must be presumed is
meant for a variation of Helmsley, by the family of Brown.
About 1670 Ursula Duncombe, heiress to her uncle Sir Charles
Duncombe of Helmsley, county York, married Thomas Brown of London, who appears
to have been a native of the county of Chester, as his arms are a variant of
those of one of the families of Browne of county Chester (for a description of
which arms see Brown notes). Their son Thomas Duncombe, Thomas Browne and his
wife having assumed the name of Duncombe in lieu of that of Browne, was of
Duncombe Park in Helmsley, and was ancestor of the Earls of Feversham and
Viscounts Helmsley of Helmsley.
It would appear that some of the older members of the family
were aware of this marriage and change of name, and George John Hemsley Brown
being born shortly after a barony was conferred on the descendants of Thomas
Browne afterwards Thomas Duncombe, gave him for his third baptismal name that
of Hemsley, in memory of the believed relationship with the family of Duncombe.
No other explanation is feasible, as there is no marriage
between a Viscount Helmsley and a Brown or Blaymire, nor is any recorded
between any Duncombe and a Brown or Blaymire, with the exception of the one
mentioned.
4.3 THE
ANCESTRY OF ELISHA BROWN
(handwritten transcript from Daphne Lowe's manuscript 3.)
Elisha Brown, born in 1787, was the son of William Brown
of Cheadle, county Cheshire, a township situate some 7 miles from Manchester,
county Lancashire.
This William was the son of John Brown of Cheadle, whom
he apparently predeceased either towards the end of 1796 or early in 1797. His
brother, John, also predeceased his father.
John Brown, the father, died in August 1797, and he left
effects valued at £5000, including certain lands in Cheadle.
The said John was the son of another John Brown of
Cheadle, who was born about 1710 and died in 1770. He appears to have farmed
his lands in Cheadle. An administration of his estate was granted in Chester in
1770.
The father of this John, named James Brown, also of
Cheadle died about 1751 being about 66 years of age.
His father, another John Brown of Cheadle, died in 1720,
having been born about 1660, at which date the family had been settled at
Cheadle for over 10 years, if Cheadle Hulme is regarded as being in the area of
Cheadle.
Thomas Brown, father of the last named John is described
as of Cheadle Hulme, and died about 1692.
His father, John Browne, who was born about 1610, is
mentioned in his will as being of Moss Side in Cheadle Hulme. He died in 1668
and appears to have been the last member of the family to have used the final
letter "e" to his surname.
The father of this John was Thomas Browne of Cheadle
Hulme, who died in 1633 aged about 53 years. He probably inherited lands in
Cheadle from his father Thomas.
His father, Thomas Browne, who died in 1626, is
described in the inventory of his goods taken shortly after his death as being
of Hulme, that is of Cheadle Hulme. It might here be mentioned that Cheadle
Hulme is in reality a separate township from Cheadle, being between 4 and 5
miles distant from this latter place, both in the modern union of Cheadle.
John Browne, the father of the last Thomas, is the first
member of the family of whom we have a definite knowledge. He died in 1596,
when he was of Cheadle Hulme, where he farmed certain lands which were possibly
in his own possession. He must have been born about 1530, but who his father
was is a matter of conjecture.
It is possible that he may have been a son of Thomas
Browne of Upton, County Cheshire, forefather of a family who were of some note
in the county of Chester during the 17thC, and from which family sprang that of
Browne of Netherleigh, of whom the last representative in the male line was
Francis Browne who died about 1750.
Should this Thomas Browne have been the ancestor of the
Browns of Cheadle their arms would be: argent, 2 bendlets sable between so many
pellets; and the crest would be: on mount vert a lion couchant argent charged
with Viree jouttes de sang on the neck. The probabilities are, however, that if
arms were born by the family they would be bend gobonated gules and of the
first. The reason for this supposition will be seen from the Helmsley notes,
and would not preclude the possibility of a Browne of Upton ancestry.
1/1. Thomas d 1596 of Cheadle Hume.
2/1. Thomas Browne b abt 1580, d 1633 aged 53 of Cheadle
Hume
IGI nearest b 15/7/1580, no parent, St Michael,
Macclesfield.
3/1. John Browne b abt 1610, d 1668 of Moss Side, Cheadle
Hume.
IGI nothing suitable 1590-1620
4/1. Thomas d abt 1692 of Cheadle Hume
IGI, Thomas S of John, 26/8/1631,
St Mary, Stockport, (next to Cheadle).
5/1. John, b abt 1660, d 1720 Cheadle Hume
IGI no John s of Thomas, 1650-1670.
6/1. James, b abt 1685, d 1751 age 66 of Cheadle
IGI 20/8/1688, Cheadle, of John
7/1. John b abt 1710, d 1770 of Cheadle
IGI John son of James, Cheadle:
23/8/1706, 21/4/1705,
8/1. John d 8/1797 of Cheadle?
IGI John s of John & Mary, ch 22/4/1739, Cheadle or
Gatley.
9/1.William d abt 1796/7.
Elisha
There is little record of this ancient family of whom
mention is first made at the beginning of the 16thC.
Their native county is that of Westmoreland, and the spelling of the name
was originally Bleamire, thought doubtless the pronunciation was the same.
The family resided upwards of 200 years upon a paternal estate at Clifton,
Co Westmoreland and held considerable possessions at the Manor of Regill, Co
Westmoreland, in the reign of Henry VIII. These estates passed out of the hands
of the family about the middle of the 18thC.
The members of this family who were settled near Manchester, probably came
southwards early in the latter half of the 18thC. This would be about the time
when the estates passed to other hands, and financial difficulties may have
caused the loss of these. If this should be so, the reason for a member of the
family settling in an industrial area is apparent.
The immediate form of the spelling of the name before the modern form came
into use was Blaymire, though Bleamire is found as late as the latter half of
the 18thC. When William Bleamire, a member of the family held estates in
Spillmyre Closes, Penrith.
The crest of the family is an heraldic tiger sigant gules collared and
chained or.
5.11.(19)24 80, Pembroke Road,
Clifton,
Bristol.
Dear Madam,
I regret that I have been unable to thank you for your letter of the 2nd,
with which you kindly enclose cheque, before this, owing to absence from home,
and I apologise for my apparent dilatoriness.
I am very pleased to know that the results of my investigations have proved
satisfactory to you.
The rank of the family of Brown of Cheadle was that of yeoman farmers, and
they appear to have been copy-holders, or leaseholders, in Cheadle for over
three hundred years.
I should like to mention in this connection that the rank of yeoman
differed little from that of gentlemen (both terms are used in the ancient
sense), and it remains a matter of conjecture as to what constituted the
difference in former days.
The name of their residence appears to have been Moss Side, but I am afraid
that this is a matter of conjecture, as records of the names of the individual
dwellings are very few, except in the case of the more important.
In regard to the Blaymires, there is no special information obtainable
concerning George Blaymire. He certainly settled near Manchester during the
latter half of the 18th century, but never achieved prominence in connection
with that city, as far as I have been able to ascertain.
All the information given may be accepted as indisputable, if one may
except the possibility of some slight error in regard to certain of these
dates, which I do not consider to be very likely, or in a baptismal name. Other
wise the authenticity of the information is beyond doubt.
If you are able to ascertain the arms and crest of George John Hemsley
Brown, would you be so kind as to inform me as to what they are, as they may
possibly assist in establishing the Brown ancestry prior to 1500, if they do
not help in regard to the supposed Helmsley connection?
I shall have much pleasure in carrying out any work of a genealogical
nature, which with you may kindly commission me at any time in the future; and
please do not hesitate to ask me any questions concerning the results of the
investigations just completed, which you may still wish to ask.
I appreciate your kind remarks concerning the amount of information
obtained and the time occupied, which may be accounted for by the fact that I
have a special knowledge of the North-Western Counties.
Very faithfully yours,
R. Hargreaves-Mawdsley.
Mrs W.L. Davies.
Thomas Browne, IV, gent. Senior and Thomas Browne, gent. Junior were among
the 21 freeholders in the parish of Cheadle 1671. John Brown, III, and his son
James Brown, were among the 64 holders of family pews in the Cheadle Church in
1725. They are not mentioned as living in any of the large or ancient houses
except James Brown V, yeoman, of Globerts; d. 1797. (Gilbert was Rector in 1623
and ejected in 1641). Moss Side, where John Brown VI lived, is not mentioned. A
James Brown, gent. of Huls (Hulme?) witnessed postmortems in 1597 and 1583. An
Elizabeth Browne, d. of James E. Butterman was christened in 1662.
Thomas Browne II was christened in 1558.
A Richard Browne, gent., was among 140 delinquents (including most of the
notable families) in the Hundred of Macclesfield in 1640. Also then included
were James Clarke of Prestbury, James Clarke of Adlington, another James
Clarke, Oliver Clarke and Humphrey Clarke and Thomas Ridgeway, all gentlemen:
presumably of the families of John Brown V's wife, Lydia Clarke. Clarke was a
Stockport family: arms argent, 3 escallops in pale Or between two flanges
Ermine, and crest a Pheon (Broad Arrow) and motto Soyez Fermes.
There is an account of the Cheshire Rising of 1659 - a premature effort to
restore Charles II and put down without difficulty - in which Thomas Brown IV,
one of the two constables of Cheadle mentioned, was concerned apparently
without great zeal.
CONCLUSION: A family of reasonably prosperous yeomen, farming their own land
and of no great distinction. I have found no evidence of why they left Cheadle.
WTD 1962.
(copied from Daphne Lowe collection)
Authorities
Earwaker, East Cheshire (h/written) 1878
Earwaker, St Mary on the Hill, 1898
Ormerod Cheshire 1819 and 1882
In 1923, my Mother employed a genealogical researcher, the Reverend (?) W.
Hargrave-Mawdsley to report on the Helmsley legend, and to plot the Browne
descent. The latter is done from John Browne of Cheadle Hulme b.c. 1530, d.
1596.
(generation 15). Hargrave-Mawdsely said that he could find no definite
connection with Helmsley, but that in fact the Helmsley title was conferred on
Thomas Slingsby Duncombe, just at the birth in 1831 of a third son to Elisha
Browne and Martha Blamire. At that time, Elisha Browne was possibly still
living in Warrington. I have no evidence of when he settled in Chester. He was
in business in Macclesfield before arriving in Chester. It does not seem likely
that he knew of any connection with Upton, through the church of St Mary on the
Hill Chester.
Great Aunt Mary Browne told Aunt Jeannie Owen that her mother, Martha Blamire
had corresponded with "her cousin" the Earl of Feversham. It seems to
me most likely that for the sake of establishing a relationship she would like
to (correspond on this subject - or - h/written correction: congratulate him on
his Earldom). The Brownes certainly weren't the sort of people to preserve
documents of this sort, to judge by what little else they did preserve. Cousin
William Brown was familiar with Earwaker's East Cheshire; he did not quote
Earwaker's St Mary on the Hill or Ormerod. He had the idea that there must have
been a Brown-Duncombe Brown (which seems unlikely) or even of a Brown-Duncombe
with a Blamire, of which I can't find any evidence either i.e. after Thomas
Browne had changed his name to Duncombe in 1670.
Here is where my own deduction comes in: I had consulted Ormerod, whose first
quoted Browne was Thomas Browne of Upton (generation 12).
This was too late to agree with John Browne of Cheadle (generation 13),
although nothing to destroy the legend. The fact is that Earwaker's East
Cheshire does not anywhere connect the Browne's of Cheadle Hulme with Upton.
But only this week, on referring to Earwaker's St Mary on the Hill, Chester, I
found the Browne of Upton pedigree two generations earlier, (i.e. 14), and the
Brown of Netherleigh family recorded in such a way that they easily might have
branched off at some time. There is no evidence, except the coat of arms that
the Browns of Netherleigh were descended from Upton. As for Cheadle Hulme, the
disuse of a coat of arms in 1600+ is not evidence of non-existence, rather of
relative poverty.
Summary: Elisha Brown (generation 3), believed in the connection and named
his third son accordingly.
His wife, Martha Blamire, was bold enough to congratulate Lord Feversham
on his earldom and thereafter called herself his cousin. His daughter Mary
believed in the story; her nephew William found it unlikely, but he had not
read Earwaker's "St Mary on the Hill".
Conclusion: Simon (deleted and H/w unreadable) Wagner, (English Genealogy
1960), encourages reasonable credence in legends. I am now sure that we should
adopt this one, though proof of course is impossible.
W.T.D. 5.1.64
Earl of Feversham (Duncumbe) (Earl UK 1868)
Charles Duncumbe, cr Baron Feversham 1826, d. 1841, s by his son William, 2nd
Baron (1798-1867, s by his son William, 3rd Baron (1829-1915), cr Viscount
Helmsley and Earl of Feversham, 1868.
"Man who ordered 56 portraits"
Sir Leonard Twiston Davies has died suddenly at his home at Monmouth. He was
58. Sir Leonard was High Sheriff of Monmouthshire in 1933. He was a governor of
the National Museum of Wales, and made many gifts to the museum, among them being
56 portraits of contemporary Welshmen painted at his commission for a National
Art Gallery of Wales.
Thomas Browne of Upton married Alice, dau of Mr White of Sutton
(Whitley of Shotton??)
1/1. Richard Browne married Katherine (Constance?) Harvey.
2/1. Thomas Browne of Upton,
b.c.1530,
secretary to his father-in-law
in 1558.
Married Elizabeth dau of Henry Birkenhead, of Huxley and Backford, clerk of the
Green Cloth to Queen Elizabeth.
3/1. Richard Browne, of Upton, gent. b.c. 1580,
d. 4/1/1624.
Married (1) Frances dau of Sir Geo. Beverley of Huntington, Chester, o.s.p.
Married (2) Mary, dau of Sir Thos. Aston, of Aston, bc 1580, mar 2nd M. Jaques
Arnodio, French, d. 17/2/1668, aet 87.
4/1. Thomas Browne of Upton, bc 1610, d 1643
Married 24/10/1631, Grissell Dobb
in Ireland, died 19/6/1641, bur St Mary's 20/6/1641.
5/1. Thomas Browne, bapt 11/6/1639,
Bur St Mary's 15/12/1702, will
at Chester 1702: Last male Browne of Upton line.
Married Cicely, dau of Wm Glegge of Gayton, bapt 23/5/1624, d. 16/3/1662.
6/1. Cicely Browne, aet 6 in 1668, Bur St Mary's 9/5/1702.
5/2. Robert Browne, bapt
23/6/1640, dsp 18/1/1664.
Bur St Mary's 20/1/64
5/3. Francis Browne, bapt
18/3/1638, bur 17/9/1638.
5/4. Richard Browne, bapt 21/6/, bur 20/11/1641.
5/5. Mary Browne, bapt 11/9/1632,
married Thos. Critchley of
Chester 1702.
5/6. Judith Browne bapt 22/4/1634,
married Thos. Kelsall of
Trafford.
5/7. Grissell Browne, bapt
4/8/1635,
married John Leather of Bowden,
Married Owen Sanderson, gent. 1702.
5/8. Dorothy Browne bapt
15/12/1636,
married Thos Shepherd of
London. 1702.
4/2. Richard Browne, of London,
Silk-man,
but in 1646 called of Upton, gent.
Lieut to Sir Richd. Grosvenor. His estates were sequestered as a Royalist in
1646.
Married Susan Cole of New St Albans.
5/1. Thomas Browne, merchant of London.
Adopted name of Duncombe about
1670. Married Ursula Duncombe. Line extends to Lord Helmsley, Earl of
Feversham.
(probably by Edie Hawkins)
The name Helmsley Brown first appears with GJHB who was born
1831 at about the time when Thomas Slingsby Duncombe, a direct male descendant
of G Brown of Upton, Chester, was raised to the peerage with the title of
Helmsley. His ancestor, Thomas Brown, merchant of London, had had changed his
name and arms to those of Duncombe on his marriage with the Duncombe heiress in
1677. There is no proof so far as I know of the family(?) tradition that the
Browns of Cheadle Hulme were a branch of the Brownes of Upton, but there was
always a feint air of decayed gentility about GJHB and his relatives of that
generation. My aunts used to say of him and his ancestors "we started
well". Among GJHB's papers (all unpublished sermons which he wrote for
amusement!) were two prints of Thomas Slingsby Duncombe, ???? I gave one each
to Peter D and David ? W.S. Brown's letter of 24.7.24 dosn't help?, but Jessie
Mason's of 21.1.61 does.
Three manuscripts have been written, the contents of which have been
transferred to the appropriate person's entry above. Additionally, one is
transcribed in full and one with corrections and comments by Daphne's mother
partially transcribed.
Much of what follows is a transcript of her mother's memories in the 1990's:
Harry Smith, her father, had a business which lasted 1 week after the Great War
- had an office and secretary, chopping up canal barges for faggots.
Grandpa wanted to be a vet, but his sisters wouldn't allow it, said accountancy
would be better. He was apprenticed to accountants in Chester.
Granny met Grandpa's father once, he said "we'll shake hands over the
boy". His mother died of cancer when he married.
Mrs Major and Mrs Chapman had a dancing class in the Assembly rooms (St John
St). Chapmans had a book shop in Wernbergh St. Couldn't afford the Grosvenor
dancing class. Went to learn to Walz. Met HMS there just after the war.
When DL's grandfather, Alexander Smith, married the servant they went to live
in Tarvin Rd.
HMS worked at Accountants up steps by the Eastgate.
Worked for accountants in Liverpool but never took his final exams although he
promised he would after they were married - never opened a book after they were
married. G always very kind.
FG Brown at shop from 9-11 at night - had his dinner brought to the shop in a
wicker basket. Warmed up on stove. James was a down and out, very honest - did
all the deliveries. Went to fetch FG dinner each day at 1230. Eventually James
fell in the shed and broke his leg - sent to the workhouse where he died. (paid
10/- a week for his rent and food. Had FG's old clothes. He was a nice old
thing. Had few teeth - was in the Salvation Army)
[Dunn Family, Ellen wf of FGB, GJHB's son] Fanny - Ellen's younger
sister ran away with him - a farmer in his yeomanry uniform. They lived in ...
She went blind. Had 4 children, 2 boys and 2 girls. Wallace oldest and Alfred
youngest. Kathy married. Both sisters made poor marriages.
After the 3rd child ... when Alfred born, Fanny couldn't cope and she came back
to Thorndene - MPS had to get up at 2am to warm his bottle. He went to a school
in Cambrier View. When about 7 sent back to his parents who hadn't been to see
him.
Chip shop at bottom of garden lane - Ellen used to send to get 3d of chips -
such a disgrace he was told to pull his cap well on so that no-one would
recognise him. She would never be seen going himself. Alfred had one daughter
called after mother. Moved to Cornwall latterly.
Never heard from him - years after he went back to his mother.
Fanny and family went to live in Blackpool North Shore. Ellen had been left
£200 which went into GJHB. When FG died, she asked Jidge and MPS for the £200.
They repaid it and she gave it to Fanny to buy the little house in Blackpool.
Fanny's husband died there.
Alfred Dunn and wife lived in Chistleton - she was taken ill and she died and
is buried in Chistleton Church before MPS born.
Ellen had another sister Katy - lived in Tunbridge Wells. Married a chemist 2
children, Alfred and Sylvia; quite well of when MPS in teens, went to stay with
them. Sylvia married stockbroker (married well) Sylvia was spoiled, used to
ring the bell for a servant to take her boots off.
Stockbroker died, Katy married again to a sponger - used to write to Ellen for
money and she used to send him 5/- sometimes.
Sylvia had twins. Sylvia was going over a bridge, car swerved, nursemaid pushed
pram away but was killed herself.
[ref William Brown, son of GJHB]:
Aunt Nellie (Bernard's mother) owned Carlett Boulevard. (Uncle Will was with
Frost's - sold to Spillers eventually) both Bernard and Helmsley were married
and she wanted MPS and HMS to live with her when they were married. MPS thought
it wouldn't work as she was very fussy. She was still at Gledholt.
Carlett Boulevard a long road of mid 1920's semi detached houses; MPS & HMS
lived there 1927-32 before moving to Chester.
Bernard's wife died (Gertie). Nellie lived with both sons. She was very nice,
but Yorkshire and very particular. Very strict.
Bernard's invention bought by Petrol Companies for £38000 (saved 1/2 petrol
consumption). Died of brain tumour.
Extracts only,
"all the Browns had a strong Nonconformist conscience and disapproved of
alcohol, theatre etc. Were very careful over money."
"It took father many years to pay him off with that large family! And it
did mean that mother (and children) were kept pretty short of money. He worked
hard, did the paperwork at night and only had warmed up lunches in the workshop
which mother sent daily by James, an elderly porter. He even had an enamel can
of cocoa (again warmed up) for his tea. Poor mother. We scarcely saw him except
on Sundays."
"They had the Helmsley (Yorkshire) crest on the door of the shop for many
years, but were apparently not entitled to it and were eventually asked to
remove it."
GJHB was eventually bought out of the business by his son FGB when he started
spending more time at the Queen St Chapel than he did at the shop (JEB,
probably money also).
Minnie: "We always thought she was a bit of a snob, as she had more money
than the rest of us! The boys went to public school didn't they? She once told
someone after a lapse of quite 15 years not seeing me, I had improved!"
"Surely Helmsley was the eldest. Evelyn ran the boarding house where he
lodged in London. She was a good bit older than he. They adopted a girl."
"Aunt Nellie went to live with Hems and Evelyn at the beginning of the War
because they did not want to take in a refugee!"
"Aunt Jeannie was engaged to an elder son of the Owen family, but he later
went abroad to get out of it (so I've been told) and Will (Wm Kirk Owen) was
asked by Peter Owen (head of the family) to take her on instead! She must have
had a time of it. They were very short of money. The Owen family were always
very kind to Aunt Jeannie, Kirk and Jessie.
Aunt J used to have a cold bath every morning, drawn overnight because she had
to be up so early to get Will off to Liverpool. They never had a fire until
evening. She spoilt Kirk, he had more pocket money a better food than Jessie,
"being a man". He bullied Jessie."
Sat, 3 Apr 2004 12:14:52 +0800
From Kevin Wulff[v]
I found your website when I was searching for George King Prime, father of Mary
Sophia Prime.
You may be interested in her family so I have attached an Excel spreadsheet
giving the details I have. I am a descendent of Emma Cecilia Prime. Regards,
Kevin Wulff Subiaco, Western Australia
Issue of George King Prime & Susan Patten:
At Langley, Saffron Walden, Essex:
1/1. Isaac Hayden Prime 27-Dec-1832 B 19-Oct-1834
D. 22/10/1903, abt 70 Geelong
M (1): 2-Sep-1856 aged c22 Mary DEWES, Victoria
D. 1856, age 24, Victoria
M (2): 24-Sep-1859 aged c25 Elizabeth Ann BOTT, Victoria
D. 21/5/1916 age 73 Geelong.
M (3): Ellen Sheedy about 1867.
1/2. Jacob Prime 6-Jan-1834 19-Oct-1834, D. 1911, Ardro,
Vic.
1/3. Mary Sophia Prime c6-Sep-1836 (2nd wf of George JH Brown)
1/4. George King Prime 22-Jul-1838
1/5. Joseph Prime 23-Feb-1840
1/6. John Albert Prime 11-Nov-1841
1/7. Walter William Prime 19-Feb-1843
At Anstey, Royston, Herts:
1/8. Emma Cecilia Prime 19-Nov-1845
D. 11/3/1889, Northam WA.
M. 1/12/1867 age 21 Isaac Asa WISBEY, Barkway, Herts, Royston
D. 3/2/1925, age 75, Freemantle, WA
1/9. Alfred Ernest Prime 20-Dec-1846
1/10. Benjamin Thomas Prime 23-Mar-1848
1/11. Blanche Prime 23-May-1849
Anstey or Buntingford,
Hertfordshire
D. 24/6/1929, aged 80.
From John Dodds,
of Sydney & San Francisco, October 2005:
M. William Alfred Bott,
Date of Birth: ?1847 or 48 At: Upwell, Norfolk, England
Died: ? Buried At: Longford, Vic.
Married On: 12 Jul 1870, registered at Geelong (Ref 1870-2674) which indicates
Hertfordshire as the location
2/1.Edith Blanche (nee BOTT) MALLOWS, 29Sep1871
2/2.William Alfred BOTT (Ref 1873 -22212 @ Birregurra)
2/3.Herbert Decimus BOTT (Ref 1883-12049 @ Sale)
2/4.Archibald John BOTT (Ref 1878-18008 @ Pine)
2/5.Harold BOTT
2/6.Mabel Charlotte Heydon BOTT (Ref 1880-24278 @ Pinegrove)
2/7.Gertrude BOTT
2/8. Henry Walter BOTT (Ref 1886-21692@ Sale)
Lived at: 1830- 1870 Upwell, Norfolk, England 1870- Dutson, Vic.
From the 1851 British Census: A search for William BOTT age ~3, identified one,
with a father also William, living in Small Lode, Upwell, about 5 miles SE of
Wisbech, Norfolk. The family is identified below:
William BOTT, head , male age 29, Ag Laborer, born in Outwell, Norfolk (~1mi
north of Upwell)
Sarah BOTT, wife, age 28, born in Briston, Norfolk
Ann BOTT, daughter, age 7, born in Upwell, Norfolk
Henry BOTT, son, age 6, born in Upwell
Emma BOTT, daughter, age 5, born in Upwell
William BOTT, son, age 3, born in Upwell.
The next door neighbor is listed as the StepFather. Given the ages &
relationships I’m not sure who relates to who how. The listing reads:
Head of Household: William BOTT
Thomas QUINCE (BOTT) , Stepfather, age 71, Pauper, born in Fotheringhay,
Northshire
Penelope QUINCE, mother, age 53, born in Ely Isle of March
Eliza Bow QUINCE, sister, age 27, born in Outwell, Norfolk
Jane QUINCE, sister, age 13, born in Outwell
Thomas QUINCE, nephew, age 1, born in Upwell, Norfolk.
William and Blanche migrated to Australia in 1870
Their marriage (in Hertfordshire England according to the Victorian CD data)
is recorded in the Victorian Marriage registry - ref 1870-2674. It states
that on 12 July 1870 at Geelong, William BOTT age 23, a labourer born in
Norfolk England, married Blanche Prime age 21, born in Buntingford,
Hertfordshire) England. - Buntingford is 2 miles SW from Anstey.
Willam’s parents were Willam BOTT and Sarah LENSTEAD. (The name Sarah) confirms
the 1851 Census family entry.
Blanche’s parents were George King Prime, a farmer, and Susan PATTEN.
Both William and Blanche signed the certificate indicating an ability to write.
It was witnessed by Benjamin Prime, presumably Blanche’s brother.
Their daughter Edith was born on 29 Sep 1871. They later moved to the Latrobe
River Valley area, and settled in Dutson, two towns down river from Sale.,
Victoria, Australia. (east of Melbourne)
From the Birth Certificate for Edith Blanche BOTT, 29 Sep.1871.
Father: William BOTT, laborer, age 23, (so, born in 1847 or 48)
Born in Norfolk, England. Married 12 July, 1870, in Geelong, Vic.
Mother: Blanche BOTT (nee Prime), age 21, (born in 1849 or 50)
Born in Anstey, Hertfordshire, England. (a small country town south of
Cambridge and northeast of London)
Edith's marriage certificate on 9 February, 1891, lists her birthplace as
Sandhurst, Vic., which is located ? , and in 1891 she was living in Dutson,
near Longford/Sale in the Latrobe River valley, where her father William was
now a farmer, thus it appears that the Bott's did not stay in Geelong for very
long. The BOTT's also ran the Longford Post Office and had a boat at the
coastal town of Sea Spray.
Edith BOTT married Robert MALLOWS (see R. MALLOWS family history), the boy who
lived on the farm across the road. Robert Mallows had a son Ernest Robert
Mallows, who married Catherine Winifred Clancy their daughter Winifred Joan
Mallows (my mother) married Raymond Stewart DODDS. Their first son is John
Dodds (me) Their second son is Paul Gregory Dodds who lives in Perth WA. 1st
daughter is Karen (Dodds) Koprivec who lives in Sydney.
1/12. Decimus Prime 18-Apr-1850
1/13. Lenora Prime 1-June-1851
1/14. Anne Constance Prime 10-Jul-1854
Issue of GKP & Charlotte Patten (sister of Susan)
1/15. Charles Prime c1856
1/16. Edith Prime 10-Mar-1858
George King Prime s of Jacob & Mary (King) Prime of Langley, Essex.
Susan (bap 9/8/1812, M. 12/6/1832, D. 20/5/1856, age 46, Anstey) &
Charlotte (bap 27/3/1825, M. 25/10/1857, D. 12/4/1879, age 54 Barkway, Herts)
daus of Simon & Sarah Patten of Langley, Essex.
George also married Mary Ann Mason, 8/4/1864?, who D. 25/7/1910, age 70, Colac,
Vic.
Hi Antony,
Many thanks for the reply.
Emma Cecilia Prime married Isaac Asa Wisbey, as outlined on that spreadsheet.
Their second child was Rosa Blanche Wisbey m. Georg Henry Edward Heedes 5 April
1888, Fremantle, Western Australia (WA).
Their eldest child was Friedrika Cecelia Blanche Heedes m. Archibald Spowart 14
October 1909, Fremantle, WA
Their eldest child was Eileen Blanche Spowart m. Otto John Wulff 10 May, 1932
Fremantle, WA.
Their only child was me, Kevin John Wulff.
In my email to you I forgot to mention that your info on the birth date of Mary
Sophia Prime filled a gap for me. She and Charles were the only ones in the
family whose birth/baptism date I did not know.
Thanks again,
Kevin Wulff
From: UK & Irish Clock and Watch Makers (c1600-c1940).
Brown, Brothers of Chester, Lancashire
Brown, Brothers of Chester. These brothers (Elisha and
George J. H.) were working from about 1864, together and independently until
about 1906.
Trade directories put them at 3 Bridge Street Row, Chester
as watchmakers, gold and silversmiths, jewellers and opticians in 1864, then at
5 & 7 Bridge Street Row East, Chester in 1874 but they moved to number 2
before 1876 and stayed for about 20 years.
In the 1880’s the two brothers George an Elisha seem to have
opened independent shops in 32 Chapel Lane, Great Boughton, Chester under the
name of Elisha Brown (Brown Brothers) and also at 18 St Martin's-in-the-Fields,
Chester as George J.H. Brown (Brown Brothers).
This continued in the 1896 as it lists G.H.J. Brown &
Son at 2 Eastgate Street Row South, Chester. Again int the 1902 directory they
were listed as goldsmiths and watchmakers and the 1906 directory as watch and
clockmakers. This was the last listing we have found for this company – they do
not appear after this date as jewellers or as watch and clockmakers.
In the 1851 census Elisha aged 23 and George J. Brown aged
19 are still living at home with his parents Elisha and Martha Brown plus
brothers and sisters. The Brown family lived at 66 Middle Crane Street, Chester
and they were;- Elisha (63) watchmaker, Martha (61), Mary (28), Sarah (24),
Elisha (23) watchmaker (born in Northwich,1828) and George J. (19) watchmaker.
In the 1828 trade directory Elisha senior is listed as a watch/clockmaker and
engraver in Apple Market,Northwich.
George J. H. Brown was born in 1832 in Macclesfield,
Cheshire. At some time he moved to Chester, married his wife - Mary Sophia
Prime(1836-1911), and they had about nine children who lived to adulthood;-
William H. (b1857), Jessie A. (b1858), Ellen (b1860), Fred G. S. (b1862),
Gertrude (b1868), Ada G.(1872–1944), Herbert Elisha (1873–1936), Edith Rolfe
(1875–1953) and Percy J. (b 1877).
By 1861 George had married and was living in Ash Grove with
his new family;- George J. H. Brown (29) watchmaker, wife Mary K. (29) and
William H. (4), Jessie A. (3), Ellen J. (1) plus mother-in-law Ellin Jones
(60). Two doors away was a William Brown (38) watchmaker with wife Sarah(31)
and a daughter and son. Three doors away were his father and brother:-Elisha
(73) watch finisher, wife Martha (72), son Elisha (31) watch finisher and
daughter Mary (38). It is impossible to find if William is related.
The 1871 census records him living at 5 Ash Drive, Chester;-
Geo. J. H. Brown(39) goldsmith and jeweller, wife Mary S. (34), William H.
(14), Jessie A. (13), Ellen J. (12), Fred Geo (9), Sophie L. (3), Minnie L. (1)
and sister-in-law Lenora Prime (19).
Before the 1881 census the family had moved to 18 St
Martin’s In The Fields, Chester and living there at the time were;- George J.K.
Brown (49) Master Jeweller & Tinsmith Employing 2 Workmen, wife Mary S.
(44), William H. (24) Corn Merchants Assistant, Fred. G. (19) Jeweller, Jessie
A. (22) Governess (School), Ellen J. (21) Governess (School), Gertie L. (13),
Minnie L. (11), Ada G. (9), Herbert E. (7), Edie R. (5), and Percy J. (4).
Meanwhile his brother Elisha was living at Laburnum Grange
,32 Chapel Lane, Chester and was registered as Elisha Browne(50) Jeweller with
sister Mary Browne(40) housekeeper.
In the 1891 census the family was still living at 18 St.
Martins Fields, Chester and was :- George J. H. Brown (59)goldsmith and
jeweller, wife Mary S. (54), Fred G. S. (29) goldsmith and jeweller, Gertrude
(23), Ada G. (19) silk weaver, Herbert E. (18) surveyor, Edith R. (15) scholar,
Percy J. (14) scholar and Mary A. Rogers (14) domestic servant.
Brother Elisha Brown (59) was retired and living on his own
means with his sister Mary (65) at 36 Chapel Lane, Chester.
Before the 1901 census the family had relocated to 5 Ash Grove,
Chester. George J H Brown (69) goldsmith, Mary S. (64), Percy J. (24) a chemist
(drug), Lenora S .G. (33) and domestic servant Mary Busly (19).
Brother Elisha Brown (72) retired goldsmith and his sister
Mary (77) remained at 36 Chapel Lane, Chester.
George John H. Brown who was born in 1832 in Macclesfield,
Cheshire died in the summer of 1909 at the age of 77 in Chester, Cheshire.
Older brother Elisha, born in 1828 in Northwich, died in the spring of 1905
also at the age of 77 in Chester, Cheshire.
FG Brown, son of GJH Brown, married Ellen Dunn.
Ref Daphne Lowe's notes 1.
Alfred Dunn, died 1893 or 4, bur Chistleton, wife died at Thorndene 1894 or 5;
thought to be too early by DL who thinks that her mother and aunt remembered
their grandfather who lived with them after his wife died.
Alfred Dunn lived latterly with FG & Ellen Brown. Died at Thorndene. Timber
in shed was sold by Bernard to pay for his funeral. Rest was made into a
wardrobe.
Alfred spent alternative 6 month periods with FG and Ellen and Fanny. Died in
Accrington.
3 daughters:
Ellen, married FG Brown. Went to boarding school age 4 in London.
Frances made to marry at 16. Died in Accrington. Ran off with a scholar in a
red coat, who was Will Fyer. Wore a uniform, but was a farmer with a small
holding.
Katy, married Alfred Pearman (or -mund). Lived in Tunbridge Wells. He invented
glossy postcards. She married again Mr Atherton. 2 children Alfred and Sylvia.
Pat Atherton was illegitimate daughter of ??? and lived in Manchester and was
always sent money by JEB in 1980's JEB told me (DL) that she had given her
enough and not to respond to any begging letters when she died. Pat came to
stay with one of her sons in the 1970's. She married a Canadian airman at the
end of the 2nd WW.
Frances (Fanny) 5 children.
Wallace, was a cook, married and lived in Llandudno.
Katy Edie married, left husband and lives in Accrington.
Connie married Alfred, daughter Pat, married Wally McSween. Connie was brought
up by servants when living with her aunt Katy (Atherton?)
Alfred Dunn trained as a Dr at Guy's hospital, but ran away to sea.
Never worked after his wife died. Lived in Staffordshire before moving to
Chistleton. His wife was buried at Chistleton. Alfred died at Aunt Fanny's in
Glossop.
